thehowler Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 It's an illusion. If it's activated then there is a two year negotiation period to replace it with something else that avoids a border, so in practice no matter what happens, Northern Ireland is remaining aligned with the EU. From memory, there is no guarantee that the border will be kept open. The JC just makes best recommendations to the UK and EU. Your illusion is an assumption. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehowler Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55464564 China and EU 'on verge' of major investment deal Sounds like the EU have done it. Well done EU! We have a roll-over deal with Turkey that gives us almost as much as we had with the EU to bragg about. That is what I call progress when you are walking up a down escalator Good news for German car companies. Bad timing for Biden. Waiting to see if the EU got the labour commitments, France have said they'll veto if not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thecrashingisles Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 From memory, there is no guarantee that the border will be kept open. The JC just makes best recommendations to the UK and EU. Your illusion is an assumption. The WA references the joint report which defines compliance with the Good Friday Agreement in a way that rules out any kind of border. There's no way out of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miguel Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Why didn't many more UK folk leave the UK for the EU while they had a chance? There was a large percentage rise since the referendum but the absolute numbers are miniscule. I've heard that the clown is proposing a hike of 3% in VAT to pay for Brexit. I think I'll stick around for another 40 years and continue to write complete sht, may as well start early. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
debtlessmanc Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) I've heard that the clown is proposing a hike of 3% in VAT to pay for Brexit. I think I'll stick around for another 40 years and continue to write complete sht, may as well start early. It would put us in the same level as most of the EU, i am pro VAT as a tax, especially now as we can apply it more carefully to luxury goods. Edited December 29, 2020 by debtlessmanc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IMHAL Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 It would put us in the same level as most of the EU, i am pro VAT as a tax, especially now as we can apply it more carefully to luxury goods. Which other taxes are you in favour of to pay for Brexit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mark hughes Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 I've heard that the clown is proposing a hike of 3% in VAT to pay for Brexit. I think I'll stick around for another 40 years and continue to write complete sht, may as well start early. Although interestingly no internet searches that relate to this - do you know someone?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winkie Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 It would put us in the same level as most of the EU, i am pro VAT as a tax, especially now as we can apply it more carefully to luxury goods. .......would of course create a growing widening gap in equality........why increase tax on spending, why not asset gains? Certain nice stuff for those that can pay for it from the rents and from asset gains they collect, the high net worth.......basic stuff for those that work with no net worth? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
debtlessmanc Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 .......would of course create a growing widening gap in equality........why increase tax on spending, why not asset gains? Certain nice stuff for those that can pay for it from the rents and from asset gains they collect, the high net worth.......basic stuff for those that work with no net worth? With freedom to apply to what you want that is up to you... if you Tax BMW 5 series and it aflicts "the poor" then there is a problem, also criminals have to pay VAT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehowler Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 The WA references the joint report which defines compliance with the Good Friday Agreement in a way that rules out any kind of border. There's no way out of it. Are you saying return to the protocol provisions is default if no agreement? I don't think it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
debtlessmanc Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) Which other taxes are you in favour of to pay for Brexit? probably a modest rise in upper rate tax. I am not a fan of taxing wealth, simply because historically it has never worked well, the principle is fine. Edited December 29, 2020 by debtlessmanc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IMHAL Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Although interestingly no internet searches that relate to this - do you know someone?! Doen't have to be true. It's payment enough in hilarity to see leaver stooges lining up to justify raising taxes to pay for Brexit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
debtlessmanc Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) Doen't have to be true. It's payment enough in hilarity to see leaver stooges lining up to justify raising taxes to pay for Brexit. Are you suggesting that the rampant tax evasion in southern europe (badly affecterd by COVID) is okay as they are in the EU???? Edited December 29, 2020 by debtlessmanc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thecrashingisles Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Are you saying return to the protocol provisions is default if no agreement? I don't think it is. It would be the same as triggering Article 50. Two years to come up with an alternative. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
satsuma Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 3% on VAT would not affect many businesses as it gets claimed back but of course it pushes up the price of many things for the consumer. Not sure it’s a good idea when we are facing mass unemployment. But of course they are out of ammunition, too much was spent in the good days and now it’s raining and they can’t afford an umbrella. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huggy Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Doen't have to be true. A good summary of 5,635 pages. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miguel Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Just heard that it could be as much as a 5% VAT hike. Worrying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IMHAL Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Are you suggesting that the rampant tax evasion in southern europe (badly affecterd by COVID) is okay as they are in the EU???? What are you on about....stick to the point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IMHAL Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) A good summary of 5,635 pages. Yes - leavers sunny uplands....paid for by tax increases...justified by Brexiteers....who don't see that the extra tax take could be used to...........pay for the NHS.....as promised Instead we get plenty of red-tape. Edited December 29, 2020 by IMHAL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huggy Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Just heard that it could be as much as a 5% VAT hike. Worrying. Well, someone has to pay for all those COVID expenses. justify raising taxes to pay for Brexit COVID. Corrected for you 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
debtlessmanc Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 What are you on about....stick to the point. You seem to be conflating leaving with the need to pay for COVID!! i don't think the virus was a Brussels policy was it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huggy Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 You seem to be conflating leaving with the need to pay for COVID!! i don't think the virus was a Brussels policy was it? Flooding over the weekend was due to Brexit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
miguel Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Well, someone has to pay for all those COVID expenses. Corrected for you 🙂 Nope. It's bang on to cover for brexit costs. Johnson also wants the highest house price costs in Europe 'to show that we are beating the EU'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
winkie Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 With freedom to apply to what you want that is up to you... if you Tax BMW 5 series and it aflicts "the poor" then there is a problem, also criminals have to pay VAT. What has that got to do with anything...... illogical statement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IMHAL Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) You seem to be conflating leaving with the need to pay for COVID!! i don't think the virus was a Brussels policy was it? You reacted to a quote that said '3% tax hike to pay for Brexit'. I asked what other tax rises would you increase to pay for BREXIT (not Covid), you responsed to that as a Brexit related item. Now you bring in Covid.... when you have clearly justified raising taxes to pay for Brexit. Clearly you don't comprehend the question or indeed your answer to that question. Edited December 29, 2020 by IMHAL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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