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1 hour ago, Huggy said:

I completely accept every country can and does do that. On balance, it just feels logical that we will have fewer being out of the EU rather than in.

That fecking cookie acceptance pop up for example, covering over half of the screen sometimes, causing a button or key press on every single c**ting website. I'd have voted out just to get rid of that p**sing thing even if everything else stayed the same. ūüė†

Your logic is faulty. If we diverge just for the sake of it then we will have to deal with our rules as well as those of our neighbours.

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12 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

We could choose to implement customs controls on the Irish border?

I think there was some kind of technological solution that would deal with that.

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22 minutes ago, erat_forte said:

I think there was some kind of technological solution that would deal with that.

Why did Boris Johnson give up on that idea entirely and instead move the problem to the Irish Sea?

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33 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Why did Boris Johnson give up on that idea entirely and instead move the problem to the Irish Sea?

Because he's lazy.

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7 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Because he had no choice.

Only in the minds of those who believe a word from the EU is equivalent to a word from god.

Remainers really do come across as institutionalised a lot of the time.

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1 minute ago, Riedquat said:

Only in the minds of those who believe a word from the EU is equivalent to a word from god.

Remainers really do come across as institutionalised a lot of the time.

That conclusion doesn't rest on believing anything said by the EU, just an assessment of political and practical reality in the UK.

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5 hours ago, dryrot said:

Good to see your powers of argument are as attractive and convincing as ever. Mind you, arguing for Remain is hard of you stick to facts I suppose.

Well look its a fair point I should engage with the content of the post.

Its just that recently its been more interesting reading up on these repeated patterns of argument - Soros, Gates Paedos, 5G, 'woke' and so on - a kind of RW bingo.  But also BBC bashing coming from both extremes of the spectrum.

You can see why both far left and right don't like the BBC - frustrated because the central majority use it the most. To quote Reuters:

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DESPITE PARTISAN PRESSURES, SILENT MAJORITY STILL PREFER ‚ÄėOBJECTIVE‚Äô NEWS

https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2020-06/DNR_2020_FINAL.pdf

Hence 47% of partisan readers trust the BBC compared to 70% centrist readers

For online access 45% use the BBC, by way of comparison next comes the Guardian at 18% and the Mail at 15% its (a bit messier to make a point with the offline !). The left is particularly disenchanted - presumably because of the preponderance of RW rubbish out there ?:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/jun/16/leftwing-voters-lead-decline-in-trust-in-uk-news-media

But see the Reuters article in particular for the full (and interesting) story.

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7 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

 

Holy cr4p

 

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The survey, completed in 2019 and released this week, found that 57% of Brits said they would vote to be inside the EU, compared with 50% who said the same in the previous survey, released in 2018.

By contrast, just 35% said they would vote to be outside the EU, compared with the 52% of people who voted to leave in 2016. Eight percent of Brits said they would not vote in such a referendum

I wonder what it would be this year now confidence in BJ has plunged ?

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54 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Only in the minds of those who believe a word from the EU is equivalent to a word from god.

Remainers really do come across as institutionalised a lot of the time.

No, remainers live in reality. You need to believe a technological solution is possible, because it fits your narrative that the perfect brexit existed but "someone else" is ruining it, just like you blamed the EU for UK issues.

At every point when reality hasn't matched to what brexiters think, they simply shift the argument to something else, blame someone else, rather than reevaluate their views based on evidence. This was the reason remain was doomed when trying to argue rationally with brexiters. You can't reason with people who didn't reach their position by reason.

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7 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

So much for the settled will o the people. Brexit was more like a transient xenophobic induced whim.

I expect the support for re joining to get louder and louder as the real impact on people and businesses becomes clear after the 2020 transition period is over.... 

Brexiteers must be really jealous, they never had much over 50% support at it's peak for their 'self inflicted injury to the UK' project.

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36 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

So much for the settled will o the people. Brexit was more like a transient xenophobic induced whim.

I expect the support for re joining to get louder and louder as the real impact on people and businesses becomes clear after the 2020 transition period is over.... 

Brexiteers must be really jealous, they never had much over 50% support at it's peak for their 'self inflicted injury to the UK' project.

Indeed, and the EU nations now see Brexit for what it is and want nothing to do with leaving the EU.

https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?amp

The survey also found support for EU membership had increased across the continent, despite some predictions that Brexit would trigger a wave of opposition to the union in other European countries. All the countries surveyed saw support for EU membership rise.

There was a 12% rise in support for EU membership in Finland and an 11% support for membership in the Czech Republic. In Britain support for membership has risen by 7% since the previous survey in 2017.

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5 hours ago, winkie said:

What 'control' means to you might not be what you think 'control' works out to be.....what you think might be a law that benefits you, might turn out to be a law you wouldn't want to be......cheaper food does not always mean better food........cheap food for those that will not afford the better quality food= greater divisions......what is a £bn when we are printing and spending £bns .....reserve judgement......the proof of the pudding is in the eating, wait and see, anything that turns out to be a mistake can be corrected.....like life after CoVid nothing will ever be the same again.....better or worse, the worse can always be made to be better.;)

all good points - but i think we will agree to disagree :)

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41 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

So much for the settled will o the people. Brexit was more like a transient xenophobic induced whim.

I expect the support for re joining to get louder and louder as the real impact on people and businesses becomes clear after the 2020 transition period is over.... 

Brexiteers must be really jealous, they never had much over 50% support at it's peak for their 'self inflicted injury to the UK' project.

<my emph>  You are funny! :) 

(In the  real world, there was a referendum win for Brexit in 2016  - against the establishment - then 3 years of anti-democratic Remainer blocking, and then a general election in 2019 where the overwhelming winning side stood on a platform of "Get Brexit Done" and the Remainers were obliterated.

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9 minutes ago, dryrot said:

<my emph>  You are funny! :) 

(In the  real world, there was a referendum win for Brexit in 2016  - against the establishment - then 3 years of anti-democratic Remainer blocking, and then a general election in 2019 where the overwhelming winning side stood on a platform of "Get Brexit Done" and the Remainers were obliterated.

Wrong tool, wrong result.

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11 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Wrong tool, wrong result.

even funnier! Have you looked at the survey itself? 

https://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/about/funding.html

All participating countries are required to contribute to the central coordination costs, composed of a basic membership fee and an additional amount, calculated according to the GDP of each country. In addition, each country covers the cost of fieldwork and national coordination. Prior to the award of ERIC status, the ESS was funded on a round-by-round basis. The central coordination and design was funded through the European Commission, the European Science Foundation (ESF) and national funding councils.

The Statutes of the ESS ERIC provide comprehensive details of the funding arrangements.

 

(Its an EU-funded boondoggle - amazing that its results show pro-EU sentiment! :) )

But it gets funnier, too!

 

"The European Social Survey, conducted every two years, found that support for the EU had risen across the continent and in Britain. The survey, completed in 2019 and released this week, found that 57% of Brits said they would vote to be inside the EU, compared with 50% who said the same in the previous survey, released in 2018.

The "survey" was taken in 2019! And we had the pro-Brexit GE landslide in Dec 19! Interesting it took them a year to release the results, too. Another example of incompetent Brussels-bureaucracy? Thank heaven we are leaving and no longer funding this stuff

 

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4 minutes ago, dryrot said:

even funnier! Have you looked at the survey itself? 

https://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/about/funding.html

All participating countries are required to contribute to the central coordination costs, composed of a basic membership fee and an additional amount, calculated according to the GDP of each country. In addition, each country covers the cost of fieldwork and national coordination. Prior to the award of ERIC status, the ESS was funded on a round-by-round basis. The central coordination and design was funded through the European Commission, the European Science Foundation (ESF) and national funding councils.

The Statutes of the ESS ERIC provide comprehensive details of the funding arrangements.

 

(Its an EU-funded boondoggle - amazing that its results show pro-EU sentiment! :) )

But it gets funnier, too!

 

"The European Social Survey, conducted every two years, found that support for the EU had risen across the continent and in Britain. The survey, completed in 2019 and released this week, found that 57% of Brits said they would vote to be inside the EU, compared with 50% who said the same in the previous survey, released in 2018.

The "survey" was taken in 2019! And we had the pro-Brexit GE landslide in Dec 19! Interesting it took them a year to release the results, too. Another example of incompetent Brussels-bureaucracy? Thank heaven we are leaving and no longer funding this stuff

 

Exactly - 2019 ! Quite likely support for Brexit will have deteriorated even further...

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2 hours ago, Riedquat said:

Only in the minds of those who believe a word from the EU is equivalent to a word from god.

Remainers really do come across as institutionalised a lot of the time.

After five years, and you are so stupid you do not understand, still?

OK, if you want all the UK to have a hard border with the EU, then you have a border in Ireland.

If you do not want a hard border in Ireland, they all the UK cannot have a hard border with the EU.

It really is really, really simple.

It took me years to understand people were genuinely too stupid to understand it.

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12 minutes ago, dryrot said:

even funnier! Have you looked at the survey itself? 

https://www.europeansocialsurvey.org/about/funding.html

All participating countries are required to contribute to the central coordination costs, composed of a basic membership fee and an additional amount, calculated according to the GDP of each country. In addition, each country covers the cost of fieldwork and national coordination. Prior to the award of ERIC status, the ESS was funded on a round-by-round basis. The central coordination and design was funded through the European Commission, the European Science Foundation (ESF) and national funding councils.

The Statutes of the ESS ERIC provide comprehensive details of the funding arrangements.

 

(Its an EU-funded boondoggle - amazing that its results show pro-EU sentiment! :) )

But it gets funnier, too!

 

"The European Social Survey, conducted every two years, found that support for the EU had risen across the continent and in Britain. The survey, completed in 2019 and released this week, found that 57% of Brits said they would vote to be inside the EU, compared with 50% who said the same in the previous survey, released in 2018.

The "survey" was taken in 2019! And we had the pro-Brexit GE landslide in Dec 19! Interesting it took them a year to release the results, too. Another example of incompetent Brussels-bureaucracy? Thank heaven we are leaving and no longer funding this stuff

 

¬†So much effort expended to bury the "bad" news¬†ūü§£.

The thing is, it was the wrong tool to ascertain the will of the people at that time. Cummings fought tooth and nail to get a GE rather than a 2nd referendum because he knew that one was winnable and the other wasn't.

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32 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

The thing is, it was the wrong tool to ascertain the will of the people at that time. Cummings fought tooth and nail to get a GE rather than a 2nd referendum because he knew that one was winnable and the other wasn't.

A very odd way of looking at things.

At the point the GE was called we had no withdawal agreement so on what basis would a second referendum have been called? It could not be held as a confirmatory referendum because there was nothing to confirm. There would have to be a specific reason to call a second referendum and there didn't appear to be one.

On the other hand the problem post the referendum was the rearguard action in the HOC to delay or block Brexit entirely but a referendum, even if won by Leave a second time, would not alleviate that problem; only a GE would.

Rather than being Gamesnanship part deux it seems to me a prefectly rational decision.

 

Edited by crouch

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1 minute ago, crouch said:

A very odd way of looking at things.

At the point the GE was called we had no withdawal agreement so on what basis would a second referendum have been called? It could not be held as a confirmatory referendum because there was nothing to confirm. There would have to be a specific reason to call a second referendum and there didn't appear to be one.

On the other hand the problem post the rferendum was the rearguard action in the HOC to delay or block Brexit entirely but a referendum, even if won by Leave a second time, would not alleviate that problem; only a GE would.

Rather than being Gamesnanship part deux it seems to me a prefectly rational decision.

 

its no use arguing :) To a TrueRemainer(tm) an iffy "survey" taken by an interested party and released a year late is far more representative that a full General Election with 32million votes.

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20 minutes ago, crouch said:

A very odd way of looking at things.

 

No, just a simple statement of fact.

 

14 minutes ago, dryrot said:

its no use arguing :) To a TrueRemainer(tm) an iffy "survey" taken by an interested party and released a year late is far more representative that a full General Election with 32million votes.

There are many polls and surveys, and almost all of them show that the majority of the British people want to rejoin the EU.

Don't forget that in a GE, the majority of people vote the same way they always have, a bit like supporting a football team.

You're right about one thing though. It's no use arguing, the truth will out.

Finally, because it got buried.....  https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?amp

 

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10 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

No, just a simple statement of fact.

There are many polls and surveys, and almost all of them show that the majority of the British people want to rejoin the EU.

Don't forget that in a GE, the majority of people vote the same way they always have, a bit like supporting a football team.

You're right about one thing though. It's no use arguing, the truth will out.

Finally, because it got buried.....  https://www-businessinsider-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.businessinsider.com/brexit-poll-most-british-people-want-to-rejoin-eu-2020-6?amp

Most brexit supporters on here seem to think we have not left the EU yet.

If you have a Captcha test to check they were sentient life, I am not sure many would get to post.

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