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37 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Then why not shut up about it?

I'd LOVE to. Alas others won't stop spreading disinformation and so here we are, not shutting up about it

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1 hour ago, Huggy said:

Not really random it is when discussing Brexit? In fact, the complete opposite. When imaging failure of Remain, She is the poster girl, and so is incredibly relevant.

Or have you forgotten about her already?

Not sure I've mentioned cheap pubs or Sports Direct types. You may have confused my statement with someone else's.

LMAO totally random mind salad - as noted above perhaps a kind of straw-man deflection ?

On 24/03/2020 at 15:33, pig said:

Its interesting how Brexit pin-ups Tim Wetherspoon and Mike Ashley have reacted to the virus. Both quite bullish about putting their employees and customers lives at risk.

Quite revealing with respect to their values and presumably how they saw deregulation benefitting their business.

Actually, you could extend the above point to the degrading of the NHS and the strangely casual response to this crisis from the UK. 

But instead it looks like you got upset over valid (I think) criticism of your Brexit pin-ups, couldn't think of any response other than retreating into foetal position and wittering on about Gina Miller ?

On 24/03/2020 at 19:34, Huggy said:

I had to Google that to remember what it was. Remember Gina Miller and her court cases, and the entire membership of the No Change party losing their jobs? They were good and happy times.

Funnily enough, according to current scientific opinion, the chances of catching COVID-19 a 2nd time is the same as running the referendum a 2nd time. Rare 🙂

Democracy, and health, win once again.

 

 

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1 hour ago, pig said:

perhaps a kind of straw-man deflection ?

Doesn't like strawmen

1 hour ago, pig said:

retreating into foetal position and wittering on about Gina Miller

Absolutely fine with ad homs 😉

Brexit isn't like one's favourite football team where all players in there are one's idols. A rough finger in the air estimate gives me a 50/50 like/dislike proportion of famous Brexiters.

For Remain, maybe because they are a bit too shouty or 'better than thee', it's 25/75.

In your game of Brexit top trumps, you have laid down Mike Ashley forgetting that the millionnaire landlord Tony Blair is in the deck.

Good luck!

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The government says a communications mix-up meant it missed the deadline to join an EU scheme to get extra ventilators for the coronavirus crisis. 

Ministers were earlier accused of putting Brexit before public health when Downing Street said the UK had decided to pursue its own scheme.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52052694

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The EU scheme will use the bloc's joint procurement agreement, which helps member states get the medical supplies it needs to tackle cross-border pandemics.

It has also created a stockpile of medical equipment - 90% of it financed by the European Commission - to help EU countries.

It is this sort of lie that I and so many others object to.

The EU does not have any money, not a single penny (or cent)

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15 minutes ago, Byron said:

The EU scheme will use the bloc's joint procurement agreement, which helps member states get the medical supplies it needs to tackle cross-border pandemics.

It has also created a stockpile of medical equipment - 90% of it financed by the European Commission - to help EU countries.

It is this sort of lie that I and so many others object to.

The EU does not have any money, not a single penny (or cent)

Same as every government or company in the world.

Most people understand that.    

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11 hours ago, Byron said:

The EU scheme will use the bloc's joint procurement agreement, which helps member states get the medical supplies it needs to tackle cross-border pandemics.

It has also created a stockpile of medical equipment - 90% of it financed by the European Commission - to help EU countries.

It is this sort of lie that I and so many others object to.

The EU does not have any money, not a single penny (or cent)

If a lot of people die a lot of other people will not be happy with this Mad Brexit Mullah carry on.

Tbh it seems to me this has gone too far whatever the outcome.

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ventilator-crunch-looms-after-snubbing-eu-action-6s7tg3vnw

Interesting article unfortunately behind a paywall 

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Ventilator crunch looms after snubbing EU action

Britain did not take up an invitation to join the EU-wide procurement scheme for ventilators launched at the same time as Mr Johnson’s appeal to British industry. Asked why, the prime minister’s spokesman initially said that “we are no longer members of the EU”, adding that this was an “area in which we are making our own efforts”.

Unless those 10,000, "ordered" but not yet tested and not yet actually ordered, ventilators turn up in the next few weeks BJ is going to find it very hard to wriggle out from taking responsibility for any shortfall. 

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2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ventilator-crunch-looms-after-snubbing-eu-action-6s7tg3vnw

Interesting article unfortunately behind a paywall 

Unless those 10,000, "ordered" but not yet tested and not yet actually ordered, ventilators turn up in the next few weeks BJ is going to find it very hard to wriggle out from taking responsibility for any shortfall. 

I'd like to think so but he is as wriggly as a worm. He wriggles for a few days and everyone forgets what he's wriggling about. Ditto Priti Patel.

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After the ventilator scandal, now the veggies are being left out in the fields as there’s not enough people to pick them. What a wonderful Brexshit this is turning out to be. 
 

Government preparing to launch Land Army-style 'pick for Britain' campaign to help farmers harvest crops

Edited by MonsieurCopperCrutch

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Interesting times... Many critics of the EU - and especially the EURO - wonder how it will cope in a crisis. I noted the desperate requests for "Corona-bonds" from some EU countries 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/nine-eu-countries-say-its-time-for-corona-bonds-as-virus-deaths-rise.html

“We need to recognize the severity of the situation and the necessity for further action to buttress our economies today,” the heads of state of Italy, France, Belgium, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Slovenia and Luxembourg said Wednesday in a joint letter"

Unfortunately, as part of the EU/Euro, they cannot do so. The response from Germany was predictable:

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/german-minister-rejects-euro-bonds-its-a-phantom-debate-2020-03-23

"BERLIN, March 23 (Reuters) - German Economy Minister Peter Altmaier has dismissed calls by Italy and other European countries to introduce jointly issued debt, also known as euro bonds, as a way to finance measures to counter the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "The debate about euro bonds is a phantom debate," Altmaier, a close ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel, told business daily Handelsblatt in an interview to be published in the Tuesday edition."

IMO the Euro was an immoral, a terrible act: trying to force a political merge using a common currency. The political merge should have come first, then one-government-one-currency. (But the European people would not vote for a political merge, of course)

The cracks have been widening - where will it end?

(At least the UK is out, though we dont want an EU collapse)

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18 minutes ago, dryrot said:

Interesting times... Many critics of the EU - and especially the EURO - wonder how it will cope in a crisis. I noted the desperate requests for "Corona-bonds" from some EU countries 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/nine-eu-countries-say-its-time-for-corona-bonds-as-virus-deaths-rise.html

“We need to recognize the severity of the situation and the necessity for further action to buttress our economies today,” the heads of state of Italy, France, Belgium, Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland, Slovenia and Luxembourg said Wednesday in a joint letter"

Unfortunately, as part of the EU/Euro, they cannot do so. The response from Germany was predictable:

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/german-minister-rejects-euro-bonds-its-a-phantom-debate-2020-03-23

"BERLIN, March 23 (Reuters) - German Economy Minister Peter Altmaier has dismissed calls by Italy and other European countries to introduce jointly issued debt, also known as euro bonds, as a way to finance measures to counter the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic. "The debate about euro bonds is a phantom debate," Altmaier, a close ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel, told business daily Handelsblatt in an interview to be published in the Tuesday edition."

IMO the Euro was an immoral, a terrible act: trying to force a political merge using a common currency. The political merge should have come first, then one-government-one-currency. (But the European people would not vote for a political merge, of course)

The cracks have been widening - where will it end?

(At least the UK is out, though we dont want an EU collapse)

Well, empty out your pockets - if you live in this country you'll notice pounds and pence not euros. So if the ventilator scandal pans out, a disproportionate number of Brexiters will  be able to cheerfully jingle all the way to the morgue.

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12 hours ago, Byron said:

The EU scheme will use the bloc's joint procurement agreement, which helps member states get the medical supplies it needs to tackle cross-border pandemics.

It has also created a stockpile of medical equipment - 90% of it financed by the European Commission - to help EU countries.

It is this sort of lie that I and so many others object to.

The EU does not have any money, not a single penny (or cent)

Just a page or two back, your mate another brexiter was complaining that the EU wasn't doing enough to help the member states and shows the failings. 

Of course, when they do, brexiters will complain that it isn't "their money".

We know the story by now. No matter what, brexiters will always complain about the EU. It is what you do. There is no right path the EU can take.

That shows what we've said all along, brexiters hate the EU first, then invent reasons to justify this hatred later.

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23 hours ago, Huggy said:

I'd LOVE to. Alas others won't stop spreading disinformation and so here we are, not shutting up about it

Sorry, the disinformation is almost 100% on the brexiter side.

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56 minutes ago, pig said:

Well, empty out your pockets - if you live in this country you'll notice pounds and pence not euros. So if the ventilator scandal pans out, a disproportionate number of Brexiters will  be able to cheerfully jingle all the way to the morgue.

Charming. 

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20 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

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We know the story by now. No matter what, brexiters will always complain about the EU. It is what you do. There is no right path the EU can take.

That shows what we've said all along, brexiters hate the EU first, then invent reasons to justify this hatred later.

Well the EU could start by abandoning the Euro, a terrible financial straightjacket on poorer countries. That would at least help

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1 hour ago, dryrot said:

Well the EU could start by abandoning the Euro, a terrible financial straightjacket on poorer countries. That would at least help

So that their governments can impoverish them by printing paper that buys ever less. The Euro lets people see how badly they are being screwed..

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2 hours ago, pig said:

Criminal.

But keep up the brexshit ;)

Indeed Pig.

"The NHS has been wholly unprepared for this pandemic. It's impossible to understand why. Based on their modelling of the Wuhan outbreak of COVID-19, Joseph Wu and his colleagues wrote in The Lancet on Jan 31, 2020: “On the present trajectory, 2019-nCoV could be about to become a global epidemic…for health protection within China and internationally…preparedness plans should be readied for deployment at short notice, including securing supply chains of pharmaceuticals, personal protective equipment, hospital supplies, and the necessary human resources to deal with the consequences of a global outbreak of this magnitude.” This warning wasn't made lightly. It should have been read by the Chief Medical Officer, the Chief Executive Officer of the NHS in England, and the Chief Scientific Adviser. They had a duty to immediately put the NHS and British public on high alert. February should have been used to expand coronavirus testing capacity, ensure the distribution of WHO-approved PPE, and establish training programmes and guidelines to protect NHS staff. They didn't take any of those actions. The result has been chaos and panic across the NHS. Patients will die unnecessarily. NHS staff will die unnecessarily. It is, indeed, as one health worker wrote last week, “a national scandal”. The gravity of that scandal has yet to be understood."

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30727-3/fulltext#

Incompetence, indifference and greed. This virus has just magnified the Tory disease.

 

 

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2 hours ago, pig said:

Criminal.

But keep up the brexshit ;)

Again, no answer from you on the Euro issue.. Just abuse.. . Sad really

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5 hours ago, dryrot said:

Well the EU could start by abandoning the Euro, a terrible financial straightjacket on poorer countries. That would at least help

Any idea how they could achieve that, good idea or not, once you embark on a single currency unpicking it in an ordered manner is pretty near impossible. 

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2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Any idea how they could achieve that, good idea or not, once you embark on a single currency unpicking it in an ordered manner is pretty near impossible. 

Very good question! A bit like like saying how the UK gets out of the housing bubble :( It will take courage and admission of failure, and what politician would take the fall? (Would I do it if I had the reins?..)

Wrt Euro, I would suggest Germany refuses to cover the PIGS' debts, and returns to the DM. All those who lent to the PIGS expecting to have their debts repaid would get 30% on their "investment", As with the UK housing market, at some point the losses must be acknowledged,,,,

But the EURO problem wont go away...

 

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52 minutes ago, dryrot said:

Very good question! A bit like like saying how the UK gets out of the housing bubble :( It will take courage and admission of failure, and what politician would take the fall? (Would I do it if I had the reins?..)

Wrt Euro, I would suggest Germany refuses to cover the PIGS' debts, and returns to the DM. All those who lent to the PIGS expecting to have their debts repaid would get 30% on their "investment", As with the UK housing market, at some point the losses must be acknowledged,,,,

But the EURO problem wont go away...

 

Germany leaving the Euro is one possible way out. The Euro would plunge in value against other currencies foreign holders of Euro bonds/investments would suffer huge losses but it would not be a default which would minimise the knock on effects.  

However, it's not likely to happen as the  largest loser would be Germany so short of a complete blow up, I think the Euro is here to stay how happy the menbers are is another issue.  

 

   

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20 hours ago, dugsbody said:

Just a page or two back, your mate another brexiter was complaining that the EU wasn't doing enough to help the member states and shows the failings. 

Of course, when they do, brexiters will complain that it isn't "their money".

We know the story by now. No matter what, brexiters will always complain about the EU. It is what you do. There is no right path the EU can take.

That shows what we've said all along, brexiters hate the EU first, then invent reasons to justify this hatred later.

 

Too true

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12 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Germany leaving the Euro is one possible way out. The Euro would plunge in value against other currencies foreign holders of Euro bonds/investments would suffer huge losses but it would not be a default which would minimise the knock on effects.  

However, it's not likely to happen as the  largest loser would be Germany so short of a complete blow up, I think the Euro is here to stay how happy the menbers are is another issue.  

Indeed. Another path would be for Germany (and Netherlands?) to guarantee the Euro debts of the other countries - and make major transfer payments to them. This is what happens in sovereign countries (like the UK) - the wealthier parts subsidise those less fortunate. It cant work with the EU/Euro as set up, which is one of the terrible things about it,. I think the Euro was set up to force political union: and that was an evil decision. If the EU countries want political union, they should vote for it: but they dont and forcing a single currency on the diverse nations has, and will, cause terrible suffering. Not to mention a political explosion...

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