GrizzlyDave Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: How much more tax would you have paid? Feck loads Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Newcastle upon Tyne East, LAB HOLD. Remain area. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chunketh Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, MarkG said: It's hilarious that the left think Boris is Literally Hitler while the right think he's Tony Blair with a worse haircut and less PR sense. What you think with the track record they have that this is untrue? I never mentioned the H word, I just say the Tories and their track record is ******ing appalling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Sunderland Central, LEAVE area, LAB HOLD. Boris won't cross 330. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrizzlyDave Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Chunketh said: He wanted to tax me more as well, I still voted Labour. I prefer being able to watch the horror stories and say to myself "I voted against that". I don't regard my personal enrichment over others as the most important thing in the universe. I appreciate that you are looking after your nearest and dearest and maybe because of my childless state it makes it a lot easier for me to make that call, but I just cant reach that point. Maybe it will get easier now I have no sympathy for working class folks that have clearly voted for their own destitution. It was the school thing for me above all else. I adore my kids and pay huge money for the best they can get. To take that away - because of envy - they can feck off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Repeat of 2015. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneCernan Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Simhadri said: Sunderland Central, LEAVE area, LAB HOLD. Boris won't cross 330. Yes he will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, zugzwang said: Presentation matters but integrity matters more. Let's see how alienated voters feel after another five years of economic decline and Brexit disappointment. Sorry but BJ is in power. Presentation (your friendly local bumbler! haha have a pint with your chum Boris! Look, he’s driving through some styrofoam! Good old Boris) IS far more important than integrity. Sure, have a leader with integrity if you want - but they need to have an acceptable brand at the same time. The book needs to have a great cover AND a good story. Tories will be in power a lot longer than 5 years. They’ll further consolidate their grip on media, and place their supporters into positions of power throughout our systems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zugzwang Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, MarkG said: It's hilarious that the left think Boris is Literally Hitler while the right think he's Tony Blair with a worse haircut and less PR sense. The Left hate Blair more than they do Boris. Blair was Judas the betrayer. Johnson is a self-absorbed twit recruited to do the banksters' bidding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Feck loads I doubt it but OK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dances with sheeple Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: It was the ERG that stopped the Tory Brexit going through. That is because it wasn`t Brexit, I am still hoping we can get a proper Brexit and total re-set of the relationship with the EU. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Will be interesting to see if Tory MPs in North will bring investment. If they do, they'll hold on for long time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chunketh Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: It was the school thing for me above all else. I adore my kids and pay huge money for the best they can get. To take that away - because of envy - they can feck off. Not sure it was envy, especially given the narrative of hypocrisy. Maybe just a badly thought through attempt to better fund mainstream education. I still agree that they should lose their "charitable" status though, thats nuts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zugzwang Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, PeanutButter said: Sorry but BJ is in power. Presentation (your friendly local bumbler! haha have a pint with your chum Boris! Look, he’s driving through some styrofoam! Good old Boris) IS far more important than integrity. Sure, have a leader with integrity if you want - but they need to have an acceptable brand at the same time. The book needs to have a great cover AND a good story. Tories will be in power a lot longer than 5 years. They’ll further consolidate their grip on media, and place their supporters into positions of power throughout our systems. The economic fundamentals suggest otherwise. You, the media and Dominic Cummings can carry on believing it's 1983 again if you like. But I promise you, it really isn't. ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrizzlyDave Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chunketh said: Not sure it was envy, especially given the narrative of hypocrisy. Maybe just a badly thought through attempt to better fund mainstream education. I still agree that they should lose their "charitable" status though, thats nuts. Many Universities are also non VAT registered. Shall we add VAT onto tuition fees? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kosmin Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Turnout down 2-3% in these early seats: Newcastle upon Tyne 67, 64.8 Blyth Valley 67, 64.6 Houghton & Sunderland South 60.9, 57.8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bruce Banner Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, Simhadri said: My Tory voting friends mocking SNP saying Boris would grant a referendum on Scottish breads to be declared as a national food of UK or not. You're going to see a lot more mocking, if BJ gets the sort of majority predicted by the exit polls he'll be even more insufferable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chunketh Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Many Universities are also non VAT registered. Shall we add VAT onto tuition fees? Yep. Why not, they are a business now. Don't forget, its all about the rich now. Everyone else can sod off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrizzlyDave Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chunketh said: Not sure it was envy, especially given the narrative of hypocrisy. Maybe just a badly thought through attempt to better fund mainstream education. I still agree that they should lose their "charitable" status though, thats nuts. Many Universities are also non VAT registered. Shall we add VAT onto tuition fees? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kosmin Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Turnout down 2-3% in these early seats: Newcastle upon Tyne 67, 64.8 Blyth Valley 67, 64.6 Houghton & Sunderland South 60.9, 57.8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kosmin Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Hindsight bias (It was always obvious Labour were going to do badly and the Tories get a big majority, even when people thought a hung Parliament was likely): Edited December 13, 2019 by Kosmin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zugzwang Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, PeanutButter said: Sorry but BJ is in power. Presentation (your friendly local bumbler! haha have a pint with your chum Boris! Look, he’s driving through some styrofoam! Good old Boris) IS far more important than integrity. Sure, have a leader with integrity if you want - but they need to have an acceptable brand at the same time. The book needs to have a great cover AND a good story. Tories will be in power a lot longer than 5 years. They’ll further consolidate their grip on media, and place their supporters into positions of power throughout our systems. The economic fundamentals suggest otherwise. You, the media and Dominic Cummings can carry on believing it's 1983 again if you like. But I promise you, it really isn't. ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kosmin Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Many Universities are also non VAT registered. Shall we add VAT onto tuition fees? 20% of £0 is still £0. You're still wearing two right shoes, aren't you?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehowler Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, Riedquat said: New Labour, the Blair years - they're not wanted back. Corybn was a response to that, but not the right one. They need to find a New New Labour, and if they find one they could be in a good position next election. I expect Conservative support to drop quite a bit once Brexit is in place, since it was a good part of this election - although how much of it is pro Brexit and how much anti Corbyn... The domestic policies were very popular. But Labour voters were not prepared to swerve the ref vote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, zugzwang said: The economic fundamentals suggest otherwise. You, the media and Dominic Cummings can carry on believing it's 1983 again if you like. But I promise you, it really isn't. ? We can come back to this conversation in 5 years. I’m a socialist and I vote left but I’m also a realist and Brexit/Trump taught me to listen to people outside my bubble. This swing to Conservative was easy to see if you just paid enough attention. It’s regrettable but until Labour present a better, stronger option it’ll stay this way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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