GrizzlyDave Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Brandy and Cigar time at Tory party HQ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zugzwang Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, GrizzlyDave said: Brandy and Cigar time at Tory party HQ. It's always brandy and cigar time at CCHQ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: Laura Pidcock is very good. Jess Phillips is very good. Lisa Nandy if she keeps her seat. I also like Angela Rayner. She would appeal to women under 30, a consituency that almost never votes. Angela Rayner? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 John Curtice saying remain areas Tories might lose some seats. Leave areas Tory gains. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kosmin Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Brandy and Cigar time at Tory party HQ. Boorish will be boorish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chunketh Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: boris is smashing it. Getting that practice in before he does the same to the country....sorry I mean the poor, disabled, disadvantaged and anyone unlucky enough to get sick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zugzwang Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, PeanutButter said: Angela Rayner? Vernacular. It isn't a sexually transmitted disease. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Swindon coming up. Mostly will be Tory hold. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GrizzlyDave Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chunketh said: Getting that practice in before he does the same to the country....sorry I mean the poor, disabled, disadvantaged and anyone unlucky enough to get sick. Corbyn wanted to close my kids (private) school and tax me to absolute feck. Sorry but I can’t vote for that shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: Vernacular. It isn't a sexually transmitted disease. No it’s something that a viable PM would not say. Words matter. How Labour presents itself matters. Any chink in the armour is an opportunity for the likes of Cummings and his troll army to exploit. Instead of continually compromising and choosing idealist leaders perhaps it’s time to choose someone who can speak clearly and doesn’t alienate huge numbers of voters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernsoul Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ive never seen appeal of jess phillips. Just empty self promotion. Id vote Keir starmer or clive lewis if i was a member. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, PeanutButter said: choose someone who can speak clearly and doesn’t alienate huge numbers of voters. New Labour 2.0 Back to battle formations and revival. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: Vernacular. It isn't a sexually transmitted disease. No it’s something that a viable PM would not say. Words matter. How Labour presents itself matters. Any chink in the armour is an opportunity for the likes of Cummings and his troll army to exploit. Instead of continually compromising and choosing idealist leaders perhaps it’s time to choose someone who can speak clearly and doesn’t alienate huge numbers of voters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeanutButter Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Corbyn wanted to close my kids (private) school and tax me to absolute feck. Sorry but I can’t vote for that shit. How much more tax would you have paid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 My Tory voting friends mocking SNP saying Boris would grant a referendum on Scottish breads to be declared as a national food of UK or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chunketh Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said: Corbyn wanted to close my kids (private) school and tax me to absolute feck. Sorry but I can’t vote for that shit. He wanted to tax me more as well, I still voted Labour. I prefer being able to watch the horror stories and say to myself "I voted against that". I don't regard my personal enrichment over others as the most important thing in the universe. I appreciate that you are looking after your nearest and dearest and maybe because of my childless state it makes it a lot easier for me to make that call, but I just cant reach that point. Maybe it will get easier now I have no sympathy for working class folks that have clearly voted for their own destitution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dorkins Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) . Edited December 12, 2019 by Dorkins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kosmin Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: Corbyn wanted to close my kids (private) school and tax me to absolute feck. Sorry but I can’t vote for that shit. How much money would you save if private schools were closed and tuition fees were abolished? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simhadri Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Just now, Dorkins said: Jo Swinson is in the process of demonstrating that there is no appetite for centrism either. Nick Clegg or any other centrists from LibDems were no match to New Labour for 13 years. New Labour must rise to stop a 1980s style one party state. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dances with sheeple Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, Huggy said: Anna Soubrey complaining: Just to remind everyone. This election was called by the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats fuelled by tribalism & Kool-Aid when a @peoplesvote_uk was within our grasp Well luv, here's your people's vote today ? Yeah, if she is unhappy I am very happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkG Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chunketh said: Getting that practice in before he does the same to the country....sorry I mean the poor, disabled, disadvantaged and anyone unlucky enough to get sick. It's hilarious that the left think Boris is Literally Hitler while the right think he's Tony Blair with a worse haircut and less PR sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dorkins Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Simhadri said: Nick Clegg or any other centrists from LibDems were no match to New Labour for 13 years. New Labour must rise to stop a 1980s style one party state. The Lib Dems did reasonably well at the ballot box in the New Labour years - 17% in 1997, 18% in 2001, 22% in 2005, 23% 2010, and that was with an electoral system working against them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zugzwang Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, PeanutButter said: No it’s something that a viable PM would not say. Words matter. How Labour presents itself matters. Any chink in the armour is an opportunity for the likes of Cummings and his troll army to exploit. Instead of continually compromising and choosing idealist leaders perhaps it’s time to choose someone who can speak clearly and doesn’t alienate huge numbers of voters. Presentation matters but integrity matters more. Let's see how alienated voters feel after another five years of economic decline and Brexit disappointment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Riedquat Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Simhadri said: Nick Clegg or any other centrists from LibDems were no match to New Labour for 13 years. New Labour must rise to stop a 1980s style one party state. New Labour, the Blair years - they're not wanted back. Corybn was a response to that, but not the right one. They need to find a New New Labour, and if they find one they could be in a good position next election. I expect Conservative support to drop quite a bit once Brexit is in place, since it was a good part of this election - although how much of it is pro Brexit and how much anti Corbyn... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernsoul Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 Corbyn obviously not the solution. But neither is new labour mark two. The country hasnt voted for centrism. They have just given a majority to a populist, hard right, government to deliver brexit. If the electorate wanted centrism, the lib dems would be gaining more than the predicted single extra seat. Snp and tories done well. What do they have in common? Both rode on a wave of renewed nationalism. I personally dont like nationalism, but there it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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