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44 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

This is the main reason I voted Green.

Transforming our economy through green technology and innovation.

Problem is that that also paints a vision of the future that I really hate the look of. Even if it's the least bad one I still can't bring myself to give any hint of endorsing it; "innovation" nowdays just seems to create more things I find fundamentally unpleasant to be around.

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1 minute ago, Simhadri said:

Corby IS a communist. Labour WAS a socialist party.

Corbyn is a democratic socialist.

Labour is a democratic party; Corbyn was elected twice by party members with an overwhelming mandate for change.
 

1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Not everyone can afford to drive a Tesla buddy.

You want it; you have to earn it.

Just like the bankers do, right?

 

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2 minutes ago, Chunketh said:

I think you need to stop reading the Sun.

No mate. I voted Labour all my life.

This time thought of voting Tory but seeing PM hiding behind fridge and shit scared to answer a question from journo, I'm thinking of voting SNP who at least have the balls to give an intervierw. SNP has best chance in Scotland.

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Just now, Bruce Banner said:

Who cares?

First things first, vote tactically to prevent a BJ majority government and stop a disastrous Brexit.

https://www.remainunited.org/

Winners and losers in every situation Bruce - I know many staunch remainers who are sick and tired of the dithering and just want to get on with it

From a business point of view - your landscape change in 2016  surely it would be at board level in the risk register ?

As I say winners and losers - my businesses (not distress related ) have always flourished in recessions is that luck maybe? but over thirty years ? when the tide goes out you find who is naked - there will be opportunities  

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Simhadri said:

No mate. I voted Labour all my life.

This time thought of voting Tory but seeing PM hiding behind fridge and shit scared to answer a question from journo, I'm thinking of voting SNP who at least have the balls to give an intervierw. SNP has best chance in Scotland.

I think the SNP will have a very strong election. Whether its enough to turn the tide against the toxic Tories remains to be seen.

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12 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

Winners and losers in every situation Bruce - I know many staunch remainers who are sick and tired of the dithering and just want to get on with it

From a business point of view - your landscape change in 2016  surely it would be at board level in the risk register ?

As I say winners and losers - my businesses (not distress related ) have always flourished in recessions is that luck maybe? but over thirty years ? when the tide goes out you find who is naked - there will be opportunities 

Get on with what?......you yourself have said you have done well in recent times, times since we have joined the EU.....Very many do not know what leaving the EU membership will bring, going into it blind....are you saying Brexit will be better when you yourself do not know, it will be a risk for us all.......I am sure there will be some investors and gamblers that can and will grasp on new opportunities....opportunities to create greater  monetary wealth for some at the detriment to others....every pound gained by the few could well turn out to be a loss to the many.....no European membership no back-up support.....are you confident, now is the time to be going it alone?;)

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9 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

A career just another word for a job without overtime - I am not the 1% (nearly FYI) but run my own business for thirty years probably paying many times the taxes you have paid gratefully in employers NI, PAYE, Corp tax and my own taxes.

It is selfish people who create the wealth by wanting a better life - you should be grateful that someone along the line was selfish enough to create the business that employs you - and if 45% isn't enough on high achievers what is ?

Oh I forgot your wealthy if you earn more than £80K before tax -the true 1% must be laughing all the way to their low unearnt income tax rates.

Thats the trouble with socialism they can't even add up - by taxing middle income earners more they inhibit peoples ability to accumulate capital and therefore just shore up wealth inequality - stupid marxist claptrap

Income inequality went up fastest during the Thatcher years.

It hasn't come back down since.

 

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52 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

A career just another word for a job without overtime

I have an account brother in law he is just under that 80k figure quoted, have to agree he brings his work home to do at the weekend and is stuck in the office lates Most days rarely takes holiday.

I do wonder what is the point of it all. That guy would  better working a lower paid job and no homework or headache.  What this does prove is they have brainwashed the middle income earners they are earning correctly and 80k is a huge fat cat salary which it is not.

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5 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Currently I see a slow gradual decline of living standards and maintaining the status quo will do nothing to abate this.

The UK needs to raise its game in STEM in order to maintain innovation and competitive advantage. People will need to work harder, study harder, and expect less.

Brexit forces the UK to stop drifting; it’s the only way I see a national plan and strategy emerge which we so desperately need.

I fail to see how you can attribute any of the above failures to the EU. Lack of national planning yes is a domestic issue, but Brexit has surely detracted from this and will continue to do so, possibly for many years. I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Brexit is the answer. So I am quite confused by your rational. 

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5 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Currently I see a slow gradual decline of living standards and maintaining the status quo will do nothing to abate this.

The UK needs to raise its game in STEM in order to maintain innovation and competitive advantage. People will need to work harder, study harder, and expect less.

Brexit forces the UK to stop drifting; it’s the only way I see a national plan and strategy emerge which we so desperately need.

Not going to happen Dave.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, longgone said:

I have an account brother in law he is just under that 80k figure quoted, have to agree he brings his work home to do at the weekend and is stuck in the office lates Most days rarely takes holiday.

I do wonder what is the point of it all. That guy would  better working a lower paid job and no homework or headache.  What this does prove is they have brainwashed the middle income earners they are earning correctly and 80k is a huge fat cat salary which it is not.

That is why many middle aged and older highly paid people do now work part time, inc doctors, the kind of people we are so short of, very stressful jobs, when a growing number of customers than staff to cover.... WHEN QUALITY TIME IS MORE VALUABLE THAN MONEY.......we have not invested in our people at the bottom, giving them the skills the country will require ongoing into the future....big lack of both public and private training, retraining and up-skilling.........no good teaching people how to write a CV....that is a waste of both time and resources....teach people how to do the job and match it to the employers that need the people with the skills that can do the job.;)  

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2 hours ago, Riedquat said:

Problem is that that also paints a vision of the future that I really hate the look of. Even if it's the least bad one I still can't bring myself to give any hint of endorsing it; "innovation" nowdays just seems to create more things I find fundamentally unpleasant to be around.

It’s in our DNA to innovate.

We need to innovate for a sustainable future.

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49 minutes ago, winkie said:

That is why many middle aged and older highly paid people do now work part time, inc doctors, the kind of people we are so short of, very stressful jobs, when a growing number of customers than staff to cover.... WHEN QUALITY TIME IS MORE VALUABLE THAN MONEY.......we have not invested in our people at the bottom, giving them the skills the country will require ongoing into the future....big lack of both public and private training, retraining and up-skilling.........no good teaching people how to write a CV....that is a waste of both time and resources....teach people how to do the job and match it to the employers that need the people with the skills that can do the job.;)  

Why train when you can import workers why work when you can claim benefits.?

Happy workers are happy spenders LOL

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3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s in our DNA to innovate.

We need to innovate for a sustainable future.

You're answering my post with a reply with an explanation of why that's happening - I'm curious as to why you're doing that, because I wasn't saying "I don't understand why people are doing this," I said "I find the results of it depressing." Indeed I can't deny that I'm a miserable bugger, but this sort of thing is the reason why I am, and why I've got little hope of a future I'd like to actually see happen.

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11 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

You're answering my post with a reply with an explanation of why that's happening - I'm curious as to why you're doing that, because I wasn't saying "I don't understand why people are doing this," I said "I find the results of it depressing." Indeed I can't deny that I'm a miserable bugger, but this sort of thing is the reason why I am, and why I've got little hope of a future I'd like to actually see happen.

By sustainable innovation I mean things like Nuclear Fusion.

ITER

Unlimited amounts of clean cheap sustainable energy - that excites me.

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