Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum

Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.


Recommended Posts

"Sinister" eh, so much for democracy. We must get these jokers out before they change the rules to usher in a thousand year "One Nation Conservative Government" !

 

Minister hints Tories could crack down on tactical voting campaigns

Tory Justice Secretary Robert Buckland claims he's seen 'sinister' leaflets urging the public to vote tactically to defeat Conservative candidates

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/minister-hints-tories-could-crack-21066869

Edited by Bruce Banner
Link to comment
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Currently I see a slow gradual decline of living standards and maintaining the status quo will do nothing to abate this.

The UK needs to raise its game in STEM in order to maintain innovation and competitive advantage. People will need to work harder, study harder, and expect less.

Brexit forces the UK to stop drifting; it’s the only way I see a national plan and strategy emerge which we so desperately need.

Brexit is irrelevant.  Redistributing the economic wealth of this country is what's required: diluting the share of the national income captured by financial rent seekers and landlords and returning it to the productively employed who actually create it: working men and women.

Luckily, we already have a national plan to repair and refit the UK for the Twenty First century; fully-costed and shovel-ready:

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

41 minutes ago, GregBowman said:

Because they don't want to be less  well off under a Marxist Government perhaps ? There are millions of below average wage owners who don't take a penny from the State and will never benefit from any of their  tax money being given away by the socialist goons 

Well done in being well off a state you have achieved under Tory Governments predominately over your life time - do you ever put 2 and 2 together ? . 

Nope. All I see is a vindictive, nasty, bordering on actually evil set of folk that want to make the 1% even better off. Most of my self reinvention took place over the last Labour government 97-2010, thats the period where I went to uni and ended up building a career.

Don't get me wrong, I KNOW I would be better off under a Tory government, I'm just not selfish enough to vote for them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Boris Johnson hides in fridge on live TV while dodging interview on eve of election

“I’ll be with you in a second,” Mr Johnson replied, before escaping into a large fridge.

In a video of the incident, one of the prime minister’s aides can be seen mouthing “oh for f***’s sake” after seeing Swain approaching the group.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-hides-fridge-general-election-piers-morgan-good-morning-britain-live-tv-a9241631.html

Edited by Bruce Banner
Link to comment
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Chunketh said:

Don't get me wrong, I KNOW I would be better off under a Tory government, I'm just not selfish enough to vote for them.

Ditto. Paying more tax doesn’t bother me as much as knowing school children are going through bins for lunch scraps. 

I grew up working poor (in a staunch Tory household) and the avaricious Conservative mindset mystifies me. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 minutes ago, Chunketh said:

Nope. All I see is a vindictive, nasty, bordering on actually evil set of folk that want to make the 1% even better off. Most of my self reinvention took place over the last Labour government 97-2010, thats the period where I went to uni and ended up building a career.

Don't get me wrong, I KNOW I would be better off under a Tory government, I'm just not selfish enough to vote for them.

It's that vs a completely clueless, irresponsible approach that's even more detached from reality.

And both are selfish, the most you can say about Labour is that they're trying to appeal to the selfishness of a larger group. And quite openly too.

97 seems to be the time everything really started accelerating downhill, although a good proportion of the problems with that government seemed to involve trying to combine the worst aspects of both Labour and the Conservatives.

Personally I'm not interested whether I'll be better or worse off under either, but I really can't see any long-term good in policies designed around exponentially increasing national debt.

Edited by Riedquat
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Lying toad, surrounded by thugs, completely unsuitable for office.

I begin to assume that most people who actively like him are the same. The average BJ backer must know themselves well enough to agree that in his situation they too would lie, cheat, and bully to get what they want.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Another problem I've got with Labour (although it's certainly not constrained to them, they're just being more blatant about it) is that they don't seem to have any ideas beyond "throw more money at it!" As I've said often enough how money is used is a far bigger problem for the UK than how much is available, so spending more is trying to treat the symptom rather than the disease. But it's simple, and a simple message (the Conservative equivalent is "let big business control everything, that'll magically make everyone richer and not leave most of you screwed over by them, honest!)

Edited by Riedquat
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, PeanutButter said:

Ditto. Paying more tax doesn’t bother me as much as knowing school children are going through bins for lunch scraps. 

I grew up working poor (in a staunch Tory household) and the avaricious Conservative mindset mystifies me. 

Also working poor upbringing but fortunately surrounded by academic family and liberal leftie views which I still honour today. 

8 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

It's that vs a completely clueless, irresponsible approach that's even more detached from reality.

And both are selfish, the most you can say about Labour is that they're trying to appeal to the selfishness of a larger group. And quite openly too.

97 seems to be the time everything really started accelerating downhill, although a good proportion of the problems with that government seemed to involve trying to combine the worst aspects of both Labour and the Conservatives.

Hated Thatcher but at least she said...”these are my beliefs follow me if you have the same beliefs”. As did those true ‘looney lefties’, good honest conviction politics. 

Today it’s all spin or even lies. A blur between left and right. Corbyn has drawn some distinction again but he’s too much for the media to cope with...not to worry a smart liberal left 30/35 year old who knows about student debt etc will emerge soon enough. Maybe sounding a little more middle ground 

As a high achiever sitting at the top of the tree I am happy to take advantage of the political and financial infrastructure.
 

I see your point and concede Labour may well be a selfish vote for some but not for me...so I accept the majority will keep the Tories in, it won’t be my fault...and donations to my little pile gratefully received. Not because I am greedy but because it’s the consensus of the voters that it’s what they want and not what I asked for...that helps me sleep?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

56 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

It's that vs a completely clueless, irresponsible approach that's even more detached from reality.

And both are selfish, the most you can say about Labour is that they're trying to appeal to the selfishness of a larger group. And quite openly too.

97 seems to be the time everything really started accelerating downhill, although a good proportion of the problems with that government seemed to involve trying to combine the worst aspects of both Labour and the Conservatives.

Personally I'm not interested whether I'll be better or worse off under either, but I really can't see any long-term good in policies designed around exponentially increasing national debt.

I just tend to look at the world happiness index, the top 3 are all European countries, all with a left leaning government. Saying that socialism doesnt work or is clueless is just plain ********. Done properly it makes a country wealthy and happy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Chunketh said:

I just tend to look at the world happiness index, the top 3 are all European countries, all with a left leaning government. Saying that socialism doesnt work or is clueless is just plain ********. Done properly it makes a country wealthy and happy.

Sure, done properly. Done badly it works atrociously. And doing something badly often means taking it to one extreme or the other. Not going to an extreme is quite difficult these days though because it relies on having to consciously balance options ("interference", and requires ability) and attracts criticism from simple people who appear to believe that you're a fraud and hypocrite if you don't take a simple principle and stick to it religiously in every single circumstance.

So at the risk of oversimplifying, if you take the classic unions vs management view of things (useful for illustrating the principle of the point at any rate) you need the balance there because when the unions have too much power businesses become unviable and when the management has too much power they become too exploitative, screwing over everyone else for themselves. Unfortunately the best we seem to get is the idea that if both sides stick to their extremes then you'll find a balance automatically, which never works (point of unstable equilibrium), but does fit in with the view that everything should somehow magically sort itself out without any active attempt at controlling it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

Sure, done properly. Done badly it works atrociously. And doing something badly often means taking it to one extreme or the other. Not going to an extreme is quite difficult these days though because it relies on having to consciously balance options ("interference", and requires ability) and attracts criticism from simple people who appear to believe that you're a fraud and hypocrite if you don't take a simple principle and stick to it religiously in every single circumstance.

So at the risk of oversimplifying, if you take the classic unions vs management view of things (useful for illustrating the principle of the point at any rate) you need the balance there because when the unions have too much power businesses become unviable and when the management has too much power they become too exploitative, screwing over everyone else for themselves. Unfortunately the best we seem to get is the idea that if both sides stick to their extremes then you'll find a balance automatically, which never works (point of unstable equilibrium), but does fit in with the view that everything should somehow magically sort itself out without any active attempt at controlling it.

I've often thought that politics would be better served if politicians were selected, rather than elected. Kind of like jury service. You should end up with a much more centrist and balanced chamber.

The vast bulk of people are reasonable and compassionate, they only tend to get extreme when someone else encourages them to be.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, zugzwang said:

The Prime Minister running away from critical scrutiny.

One of the defining tropes of the 2019 General Election.

 

Unaccountable bureaucrat scurrying away to hide from scrutiny. Pathetic. And any apologist voting for him should be held accountable for the damage soon to be wrought upon this country. 

Edited by MonsieurCopperCrutch
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, zugzwang said:

Brexit is irrelevant.  Redistributing the economic wealth of this country is what's required: diluting the share of the national income captured by financial rent seekers and landlords and returning it to the productively employed who actually create it: working men and women.

Luckily, we already have a national plan to repair and refit the UK for the Twenty First century; fully-costed and shovel-ready:

https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/

 

 

 

Not everyone can afford to drive a Tesla buddy.

You want it; you have to earn it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Chunketh said:

I am 45, well off and voted remain.

I have never and will never vote for the Conservatives and I am constantly mystified why people less well off than me even consider it.

The Conservatives are not all bad, they have a lot going for them....except this time, many remain voters for obvious reasons tomorrow will not vote for them and although BJ might appeal to some people including other party voters he does not appeal to all Tory voters......someone this week, said they thought we were voting for brexit get it done or no brexit stay with what we know must be many like them ....... so much confusion, and conflict of interests out there. ;)

Edited by winkie
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, Riedquat said:

Another problem I've got with Labour (although it's certainly not constrained to them, they're just being more blatant about it) is that they don't seem to have any ideas beyond "throw more money at it!" As I've said often enough how money is used is a far bigger problem for the UK than how much is available, so spending more is trying to treat the symptom rather than the disease. But it's simple, and a simple message (the Conservative equivalent is "let big business control everything, that'll magically make everyone richer and not leave most of you screwed over by them, honest!)

This is the main reason I voted Green.

Transforming our economy through green technology and innovation.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Chunketh said:

Nope. All I see is a vindictive, nasty, bordering on actually evil set of folk that want to make the 1% even better off. Most of my self reinvention took place over the last Labour government 97-2010, thats the period where I went to uni and ended up building a career.

Don't get me wrong, I KNOW I would be better off under a Tory government, I'm just not selfish enough to vote for them.

A career just another word for a job without overtime - I am not the 1% (nearly FYI) but run my own business for thirty years probably paying many times the taxes you have paid gratefully in employers NI, PAYE, Corp tax and my own taxes.

It is selfish people who create the wealth by wanting a better life - you should be grateful that someone along the line was selfish enough to create the business that employs you - and if 45% isn't enough on high achievers what is ?

Oh I forgot your wealthy if you earn more than £80K before tax -the true 1% must be laughing all the way to their low unearnt income tax rates.

Thats the trouble with socialism they can't even add up - by taxing middle income earners more they inhibit peoples ability to accumulate capital and therefore just shore up wealth inequality - stupid marxist claptrap

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.