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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

He lashed out. Understandably.

But Boris is right; you have to lock these extremists up. For a very long time.

No. And actually I think it’s really unlikely you’re being ‘honest’. 

BJ carried on like a complete pr1ck blathering on about the Labour Party practically before the man had made it to the morgue 

Why ? Well firstly because the Tories have been in power for a decade so he sh4t his pants . Secondly because he has no class, no integrity and it comes out every time he is tested.

 He is not fit for office.

 

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6 hours ago, pig said:

No. And actually I think it’s really unlikely you’re being ‘honest’. 

BJ carried on like a complete pr1ck blathering on about the Labour Party practically before the man had made it to the morgue 

Why ? Well firstly because the Tories have been in power for a decade so he sh4t his pants . Secondly because he has no class, no integrity and it comes out every time he is tested.

 He is not fit for office.

 

 

Well we all get to have a say on that Tomorrow.

Best of luck.

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11 hours ago, pig said:

The father was being honest. Also, thoughtful and perceptive.

Of course he was but it's not quite that simple.

A terrorist was released early and committed an atrocious act. People are bound to ask: why was he released on licence? At the very least the government needed to reassure the public and probably fend off criticism for its policies in this regard. Whether this father likes it or not it would be a political issue at normal times, and quite rightly so, but during an election it is doubly so. 

It's truly dreadful to see the lives of two young people sacrificed like this; to see their photographs was truly gut wrenching but to pretend it is only a personal tragedy is simply wrong; it concerns us all and the father should himself want some sort of signal that something will be done to avoid other fathers suffering his loss.

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WTO chief: 'Months' needed to fix disputes body

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50736344

"Professor Bacchus says that immobilizing the WTO Appellate Body is an attempt by the US to replace the rule of law in trade "with the rule of power".

Instead of turning to the WTO President Trump has repeatedly used tariffs to address his trade concerns, seeing them as a way to gain leverage over his adversaries. "

We are falling into the hands of the our soon to be new owners. Are we not glad that we gave up our influential place in the largest trading block in the world to be a free floating spirit open to being buffetted by the prevailing bully boys on the block. We are about to find out what being between a rock and a hard place feels like.

US President Donald Trump

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9 hours ago, Bruce Banner said:

As I understand it, the father feels strongly that his murdered son would not have been happy with his death being used to further the political advantage of BJ, 

Listen to the interview, he makes his point clearly and succinctly.

What the son might have wanted is speculation, and he wasn't the only victim. The attack, and what it shows up about weaknesses of the decisions made by judges and the Crown Prosecution Service under Starmer affect us all, and is therefore a topic for full debate.

You presumably would take the same line about the way the death of Cox MP was used to attack the Leave campaign during the Referendum? Hypocrisy?

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14 minutes ago, crouch said:

Of course he was but it's not quite that simple.

A terrorist was released early and committed an atrocious act. People are bound to ask: why was he released on licence? At the very least the government needed to reassure the public and probably fend off criticism for its policies in this regard. Whether this father likes it or not it would be a political issue at normal times, and quite rightly so, but during an election it is doubly so. 

It's truly dreadful to see the lives of two young people sacrificed like this; to see their photographs was truly gut wrenching but to pretend it is only a personal tragedy is simply wrong; it concerns us all and the father should himself want some sort of signal that something will be done to avoid other fathers suffering his loss.

Sorry, but BJs behaviour was unforgivable... loathsome low life!

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3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Can you be a bit more specific?

Do you think that people will be more prosperous, have access to better services, have reasons to be generally happier now that we have severed our ties with the EU? Perhaps you think it will make no difference to ordinary peoples lives at all.  

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10 hours ago, PeanutButter said:

I see the online anonymous discourse on the house price forum continues to writhe in excrement. 

I dip into this thread every 2/3 weeks to see if there is anything to learn about Brexit because fake news from BBC and co is useless and HPC is a great place.....

However, my one comment on this huge thread was met with ‘faux remainer’ accusation and the Leave/Remain camps are just too divisive. 

If the Brexit vote to leave had been met with a hearty handshake from the EU and a clean exit within timescales then I would be certain it was a bad decision. 

However, the sustained effort from the EU and TPTB to ensure things are difficult, the warnings and threats of Economic disaster create a suspicion of self interest...and I don’t like the tone of the threats. 

I believe remain is better....but I would vote leave in any second referendum. Just timescale it and if we can’t reach agreement then that tells me everything I need to know about the EU methodology and leave without agreement. 

My ideology is liberal left wing but this is no longer an immigration or economic issue for me...but a reaction to some of the EU comments and behaviours. We will be made to suffer for years if we leave, we need to be seen to fail to avoid others wanting to leave....but that is not a reason to stay. That’s not a friendly alliance but a power play. 

So I am very much in the middle with my views believing the EU benefits all member countries and we shouldn’t leave. However, I would NOW support leave for the reasons above. But it sounds like I am a minority and I should hate all remainers (or leavers) depending on the latest spin (or lie). 

Finally BJ has played a strategic blinder (other than when he makes daft comments)....stuck to Brexit and economy arguments capturing double votes and avoiding some tricky debates. I may be wrong but the 45 year old remainers will support him out of self interest and right wing ideology...as will the leavers. 
BJ not my first or even second choice but I suspect his approach will have paid off. Divide and conquer. 

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12 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

The lad was opposed to the very things that BJ used his death to promote. That is what really upset the father.

Yes but BJ's reaction was what might be termed the populist" reaction. Now I'm inclined to agree with Jack Merritt's view; the huge irony being of course that this view is riskier in terms of public safety and will inevitably lead to the sort of atrocity that resulted in his death.

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3 minutes ago, crouch said:

Yes but BJ's reaction was what might be termed the populist" reaction. Now I'm inclined to agree with Jack Merritt's view; the huge irony being of course that this view is riskier in terms of public safety and will inevitably lead to the sort of atrocity that resulted in his death.

The end does not justify the means, a point lost on BJs spokesman who last night defended his actions. Disgraceful behaviour.

 

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17 minutes ago, crouch said:

Yes but BJ's reaction was what might be termed the populist" reaction. Now I'm inclined to agree with Jack Merritt's view; the huge irony being of course that this view is riskier in terms of public safety and will inevitably lead to the sort of atrocity that resulted in his death.

You say that, but prison martyrs never help either. 

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33 minutes ago, Pop321 said:

I may be wrong but the 45 year old remainers will support him out of self interest and right wing ideology...as will the leavers. 

I am 45, well off and voted remain.

I have never and will never vote for the Conservatives and I am constantly mystified why people less well off than me even consider it.

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3 minutes ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

You say that, but prison martyrs never help either. 

You misunderstand, Merritt's view was that there was such a thing as rehabilitation and that prisoners could be released as a result of that, and I agree with that. It was BJ who said that sentences should be increased.

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5 minutes ago, Chunketh said:

I am 45, well off and voted remain.

I have never and will never vote for the Conservatives and I am constantly mystified why people less well off than me even consider it.

Because they don't want to be less  well off under a Marxist Government perhaps ? There are millions of below average wage owners who don't take a penny from the State and will never benefit from any of their  tax money being given away by the socialist goons 

Well done in being well off a state you have achieved under Tory Governments predominately over your life time - do you ever put 2 and 2 together ? . 

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45 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

Do you think that people will be more prosperous, have access to better services, have reasons to be generally happier now that we have severed our ties with the EU? Perhaps you think it will make no difference to ordinary peoples lives at all.  

Currently I see a slow gradual decline of living standards and maintaining the status quo will do nothing to abate this.

The UK needs to raise its game in STEM in order to maintain innovation and competitive advantage. People will need to work harder, study harder, and expect less.

Brexit forces the UK to stop drifting; it’s the only way I see a national plan and strategy emerge which we so desperately need.

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1 hour ago, crouch said:

Of course he was but it's not quite that simple.

A terrorist was released early and committed an atrocious act. People are bound to ask: why was he released on licence? At the very least the government needed to reassure the public and probably fend off criticism for its policies in this regard. Whether this father likes it or not it would be a political issue at normal times, and quite rightly so, but during an election it is doubly so. 

It's truly dreadful to see the lives of two young people sacrificed like this; to see their photographs was truly gut wrenching but to pretend it is only a personal tragedy is simply wrong; it concerns us all and the father should himself want some sort of signal that something will be done to avoid other fathers suffering his loss.

It’s pretty simple.
His interview contrasted with his rival. He was irresponsible,  palpably untrustworthy and did not demonstrate any leadership.
Probably why GD has turned to lashing out at the bereaved and calling himself ‘honest’.

Did you see Newsnight last night ? 88% of Tory paid for SM ads misleading or untrue. As if the problems with BJs character  have been industrialised into a national troll-bot.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/investigation-finds-88-tory-ads-misleading-compared-0-labour-11651802/

He is not ‘leading’ or ‘reassuring’ or demonstrating any ‘honest’ grasp of the issues.  His sole competence is being curated for unregulated SM amplification.

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24 minutes ago, pig said:

It’s pretty simple.
His interview contrasted with his rival. He was irresponsible,  palpably untrustworthy and did not demonstrate any leadership.
Probably why GD has turned to lashing out at the bereaved and calling himself ‘honest’.

Did you see Newsnight last night ? 88% of Tory paid for SM ads misleading or untrue. As if the problems with BJs character  have been industrialised into a national troll-bot.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/investigation-finds-88-tory-ads-misleading-compared-0-labour-11651802/

He is not ‘leading’ or ‘reassuring’ or demonstrating any ‘honest’ grasp of the issues.  His sole competence is being curated for unregulated SM amplification.

I don't deny any of this. The point I'm trying to make is that this issue is not solely a personal one but does call for a response from the government; so commenting on the issue from a political point of view is not something which you can criticize BJ for in principle, although his actual response can, and has, been criticized. 

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