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29 minutes ago, slawek said:

It is a deep emotional belief, no reasoning will overcome it. A person will redefine logic, maths, laws of physics, language to maintain it. Only a dramatic personal experience could help here.

    

Emotion has feck all to do with it.

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2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Emotion has feck all to do with it.

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Emotion has everything to do with it.

That was from the previous government, about an advisory referendum. Any commitment died with Cameron's premiership.

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2 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Emotion has everything to do with it.

That was from the previous government, about an advisory referendum. Any commitment died with Cameron's premiership.

This was the basis in which people  voted.

Indeed at the time remainers were of the view that leavers needed to suck it up - that HMG was sending a tax payer funded leaflet to every house - which advocated remain.

Well Guys. Suck it up. If it meant something then - it means something now.

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32 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

 

 

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The Burial of Sir John Moore after Corunna (1817)

Charles Wolfe

 

Oxford English Dictionary (OED) Links On

Not a drum was heard, not a funeral note,
As his corse to the rampart we hurried;
Not a soldier discharged his farewell shot
O’er the grave where our hero we buried.

We buried him darkly at dead of night,
The sods with our bayonets turning;
By the struggling moonbeam’s misty light
And the lantern dimly burning.

No useless coffin enclosed his breast,
Nor in sheet nor in shroud we wound him,
But he lay like a warrior taking his rest
With his martial cloak around him.

Few and short were the prayers we said,
And we spoke not a word of sorrow;
But we steadfastly gazed on the face that was dead,
And we bitterly thought of the morrow.

We thought, as we hollowed his narrow bed
And smoothed down his lonely pillow,
That the foe and the stranger would tread o’er his head,
And we far away on the billow!

Lightly they’ll talk of the spirit that’s gone
And o’er his cold ashes upbraid him,
But little he’ll reck, if they let him sleep on
In the grave where a Briton has laid him.

But half of our heavy task was done
When the clock struck the hour for retiring;
And we heard the distant and random gun
That the foe was sullenly firing.

Slowly and sadly we laid him down,
From the field of his fame fresh and gory;
We carved not a line, and we raised not a stone,
But left him alone with his glory.

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14 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

This was the basis in which people  voted.

Indeed at the time remainers were of the view that leavers needed to suck it up - that HMG was sending a tax payer funded leaflet to every house - which advocated remain.

Well Guys. Suck it up. If it meant something then - it means something now.

Constant repetition will not make it a legally binding commitment. 

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15 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Constant repetition will not make it a legally binding commitment. 

Perhaps not.

But I plant my flag on the moral high ground.

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24 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Aye, I know where it comes from.

So it surfaces this week that the Russians are trying to force Europe apart through far right corruption. Not news I guess, more like confirmation

Trump the same. Including colluding with Brexiter low-lives to coerce Britain against its will in what looks like a deeply corrupt (and ongoing) assault on its democracy.

You'd happily force Brexit on an unwilling Britain and use a violent gun analogy to express your commitment to it...

 

Do you remember the furore over Obamas comments on Brexit ? 

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19 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Perhaps not.

But I plant my flag on the moral high ground.

As do I, and if 90% of the people now want to remain in the EU it would be undemocratic to drag them out against their will, whatever they voted three years ago.

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11 minutes ago, pig said:

So it surfaces this week that the Russians are trying to force Europe apart through far right corruption. Not news I guess, more like confirmation

Trump the same. Including colluding with Brexiter low-lives to coerce Britain against its will in what looks like a deeply corrupt (and ongoing) assault on its democracy.

You'd happily force Brexit on an unwilling Britain and use a violent gun analogy to express your commitment to it...

 

Do you remember the furore over Obamas comments on Brexit ? 

I’m not forcing anything. I want the outcome of a democratic vote to be honoured.

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2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I’m not forcing anything. I want the outcome of a democratic vote to be honoured.

I'm sure you'll feel the same way after the confirmatory vote.

^_^

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1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

That was from the previous government, about an advisory referendum. Any commitment died with Cameron's premiership.

I see. The commitments of government evaporate when the figurehead resigns - just like the debt issued by the Debt Management Office?

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1 hour ago, pig said:

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Do you remember the furore over Obamas comments on Brexit ? 

Genuine, provable foreign interference, for some reason nicely forgotten about by remoaners.

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11 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I’m not forcing anything. I want the outcome of a democratic vote to be honoured.

Well there's your problem then, you've taken an honourable statement and managed to turned it into its complete opposite.

The vote is meant to represent voters - it isn't an ends in itself, there would be no point to it. Prioritising a vote over its own voters is barking.

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5 minutes ago, yodigo said:

Genuine, provable foreign interference, for some reason nicely forgotten about by remoaners.

What planet are you on ?

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13 minutes ago, A.steve said:

I see. The commitments of government evaporate when the figurehead resigns - just like the debt issued by the Debt Management Office?

In this case yes as it was only an advisory referendum.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

In this case yes as it was only an advisory referendum.

But it wasn't sold as that, was it. Only when the remoaners lost was it decided to announce it widely. If they'd won they wouldn't have said a thing.

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13 minutes ago, yodigo said:

Genuine, provable foreign interference, for some reason nicely forgotten about by remoaners.

Not forgotten. Arguably, Obama's interference put peoples backs up and had the opposite effect to that intended.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

Not forgotten. Arguably, Obama's interference put peoples backs up and had the opposite effect to that intended.

Think I read somewhere that Camoron put Obama up to it, so only 50% foreign interference - I'm feeling generous.

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2 minutes ago, yodigo said:

But it wasn't sold as that, was it. Only when the remoaners lost was it decided to announce it widely. If they'd won they wouldn't have said a thing.

It doesn't matter a toss what it was sold as. In line with UK law, the result of the 2016 referendum was not and is not legally binding.

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1 minute ago, yodigo said:

Think I read somewhere that Camoron put Obama up to it, so only 50% foreign interference - I'm feeling generous.

Either way it backfired spectacularly.

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1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said:

Not forgotten. Arguably, Obama's interference put peoples backs up and had the opposite effect to that intended.

I suspect a similar phenomenon arose from the UK insistance that the entire establishment supported the government's remain position.

What I'm not sure about is whether this effect was intended.

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19 minutes ago, pig said:

Well there's your problem then, you've taken an honourable statement and managed to turned it into its complete opposite.

The vote is meant to represent voters - it isn't an ends in itself, there would be no point to it. Prioritising a vote over its own voters is barking.

Of course it is an end to itself. That’s the whole point. One vote, one chance to state your preference. Otherwise you urinate all over the democratic process. 

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