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32 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

So if 90% of leave voters have changed their minds and now want to remain, you would still drag the vast majority of the population, against their will, out of the EU?  Yes I would.

Good luck with that, fortunately for the majority you are not in charge and I'm pretty sure that parliament will not allow it.

Cold dead hands.

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7 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Cold dead hands.

Please stop replying by doctoring quotes, it makes it difficult to debate with you. 

To be clear, you said "Yes I would" in reply to "So if 90% of leave voters have changed their minds and now want to remain, you would still drag the vast majority of the population, against their will, out of the EU?

Come to think of it, it's not worth trying to debate with you. The only reason I don't put you on ignore is that I refuse to let your rhetoric go unchallenged.

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1 hour ago, btd1981 said:

Well I for one changed my mind the day after the vote,  the moment those slimy ***** back pedaled on the claims they had based their campaign upon. 

 

Almost everything that has happened since has cemented my view. 

The only leave voters that I know (who are still alive) have all changed their minds. 

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38 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

The only leave voters that I know (who are still alive) have all changed their minds. 

......the ones have spoken to that would admit to have changed their mind have been from leave to remain.....the rest just want it over and done with....leave or remain.;)

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1 minute ago, winkie said:

......the ones have spoken to that would admit to have changed their mind have been from leave to remain.....the rest just want it over and done with....leave or remain.;)

It is those who have turned democracy into a farce. Representative democracy relies on a sizeable percentage of the population (with the attention span of a goldfish), either not caring, not understanding, or both.

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22 minutes ago, winkie said:

......the ones have spoken to that would admit to have changed their mind have been from leave to remain.....the rest just want it over and done with....leave or remain.;)

The problem with this is whether we leave or stay - Brexit won't be over for decades. It really is the farce that never stops giving.

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1 hour ago, Bruce Banner said:

Please stop replying by doctoring quotes, it makes it difficult to debate with you. 

To be clear, you said "Yes I would" in reply to "So if 90% of leave voters have changed their minds and now want to remain, you would still drag the vast majority of the population, against their will, out of the EU?

Come to think of it, it's not worth trying to debate with you. The only reason I don't put you on ignore is that I refuse to let your rhetoric go unchallenged.

Yes I would. The vote has taken place; if you’ve changed your mind, tough titties.

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Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

Yes I would. The vote has taken place; if you’ve changed your mind, tough titties.

 

"Tough titties" you do what you're told.... or what? Cold dead hands?

A government trying to force through measures that 90% of the population does not want on the premise that they wanted it three years ago is likely to get unceremoniously ejected, and rightly too.

 

 

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A smoking gun that Salvini, AfD, Le Pen and other far right European parties are financed by Russia. Brexit and Trump are also a part of this global movement, likely supported by Russian money too.

It is a meeting in Moscow between Italians and Russians discussing technical details of a secret deal to fund Salvini's party from proceeds of an oil trade with Russia. There are also some UK connections, they consider using a UK based bank as intermediary and paying someone £20k a month to facilitate the transaction.   

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/buzzfeednews/transcript-lega-russia-oil-deal-meeting

Some names are omitted in this transcript as INAUDIBLE. Audio recordings are also available but only fragments.   

Edited by slawek

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14 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

 

"Tough titties" you do what you're told.... or what? Cold dead hands?

A government trying to force through measures that 90% of the population does not want on the premise that they wanted it three years ago is likely to get unceremoniously ejected, and rightly too.

 

 

It’s a view I hold so strongly I will only let go of it when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.

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4 minutes ago, slawek said:

A smoking gun that Salvini, AfD, Le Pen and other far right European parties are financed by Russia. Brexit and Trump are also a part of this global movement, likely supported by Russian money too.

It is a meeting in Moscow between Italians and Russians discussing technical details of a secret deal to fund Salvini's party from proceeds of an oil trade with Russia. There are also some UK connections, they consider using a UK based bank as intermediary and paying someone £20k a month to facilitate the transaction.   

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/buzzfeednews/transcript-lega-russia-oil-deal-meeting

Some names are omitted in this transcript as INAUDIBLE. Audio recordings are also available but only fragments.   

Why is it when the Russians destabilise countries it is wrong, the UK has been doing it for ever and still does 

They seem to have become better than our lot

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4 minutes ago, prozac said:

Why is it when the Russians destabilise countries it is wrong, the UK has been doing it for ever and still does 

They seem to have become better than our lot

To be clear I am against it regardless who is doing this. The British Empire is a prime example of meddling in other regions of the world for their own gains. The USA, mainly through CIA, has been involved in countless such operations too. 

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12 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s a view I hold so strongly I will only let go of it when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.

There's really no answer to that.

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37 minutes ago, slawek said:

To be clear I am against it regardless who is doing this. The British Empire is a prime example of meddling in other regions of the world for their own gains. The USA, mainly through CIA, has been involved in countless such operations too. 

What goes around comes around

 

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48 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s a view I hold so strongly I will only let go of it when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.

By the way thats a Charton Heston quote about his gun.

It may be how you feel about it but its obviously not democratic.

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1 hour ago, slawek said:

A smoking gun that Salvini, AfD, Le Pen and other far right European parties are financed by Russia. Brexit and Trump are also a part of this global movement, likely supported by Russian money too.

It is a meeting in Moscow between Italians and Russians discussing technical details of a secret deal to fund Salvini's party from proceeds of an oil trade with Russia. There are also some UK connections, they consider using a UK based bank as intermediary and paying someone £20k a month to facilitate the transaction.   

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/buzzfeednews/transcript-lega-russia-oil-deal-meeting

Some names are omitted in this transcript as INAUDIBLE. Audio recordings are also available but only fragments.   

Oops doesn't that sounds a bit like a supposed diamond / gold deal that was supposedly offered to help with the Brexit referendum ?

Thats some scoop if the above is true. 

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5 minutes ago, pig said:

Oops doesn't that sounds a bit like a supposed diamond / gold deal that was supposedly offered to help with the Brexit referendum ?

Thats some scoop if the above is true. 

It sounds genuine. You can fake almost anything these days but why would someone put so much efforts in this? The transcript is very chaotic, not the best translation. 

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s a view I hold so strongly I will only let go of it when you can prise it from my cold dead hands.

The Charge of the Light Brigade

I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.
 
.....

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14 minutes ago, pig said:

By the way thats a Charton Heston quote about his gun.

It may be how you feel about it but its obviously not democratic.

It is a deep emotional belief, no reasoning will overcome it. A person will redefine logic, maths, laws of physics, language to maintain it. Only a dramatic personal experience could help here.

    

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8 minutes ago, slawek said:

It is a deep emotional belief, no reasoning will overcome it. A person will redefine logic, maths, laws of physics, language to maintain it. Only a dramatic personal experience could help here.

    

 

 

Edited by Bruce Banner

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26 minutes ago, slawek said:

It sounds genuine. You can fake almost anything these days but why would someone put so much efforts in this? The transcript is very chaotic, not the best translation. 

It does - here you go:

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/italian-journalist-explains-russia-funding-expose/

edit: interestingly he says similar to the UK in that there's plenty of interest from abroad but not a lot of coverage from the indigenous press.

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39 minutes ago, pig said:

By the way thats a Charton Heston quote about his gun.

It may be how you feel about it but its obviously not democratic.

Aye, I know where it comes from.

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27 minutes ago, grasshopper said:

The Charge of the Light Brigade

I
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
   Rode the six hundred.
 
.....

 

 

alfred-lord-tennyson-though-much-is-take

 

Edited by GrizzlyDave

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