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1 minute ago, jonb2 said:

Still doesn't answer my question. Who, what, how, when and with whom?

 

1 minute ago, jonb2 said:

Still doesn't answer my question. Who, what, how, when and with whom?

Since I don't work for the foreign office then naturally I can't give you those details, and I probably wouldn't be allowed to anyway 

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2 minutes ago, Si1 said:

I'm not assigning blame - we just stand to gain more from trading with higher growth economies than we do with the lower growth EU. We are held back from doing this by poor and few trade agreements between the EU and these higher growth regions. This is usually to satisfy disparate random political interests such as Belgian dairy farmers etc.

Sod that - externalise all the costs: Get rid of food standards, environmental standards workers rights, the NHS and so on then I’d imagine economic stats would look great no ?

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1 minute ago, Si1 said:

Since I don't work for the foreign office then naturally I can't give you those details, and I probably wouldn't be allowed to anyway 

No US-UK trade deal would ever get through the UK parliament because of the implications for British agriculture.

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54 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Kim Darroch. Public school. Durham university. Of the establishment, for the establishment. It's these cretins that are stopping brexit just for the sake of their establishment interests. He had to go. If it was a hatchet job then I'd have thought it was by the brexit side.

We need to have a soft coup to remove people who went to university ?

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16 minutes ago, pig said:

We need to have a soft coup to remove people who went to university ?

Epic strawman. You win a speedboat.

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21 minutes ago, pig said:

Sod that - externalise all the costs: Get rid of food standards, environmental standards workers rights, the NHS and so on then I’d imagine economic stats would look great no ?

Yes the EU gave us the NHS.. Well done.

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28 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

No, only PPE Oxford, unless they post on this thread.

Lol

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7 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

That article is ‘let them eat brioche’.

We need a crash, no ifs, no buts.

As things stand, a HPC will only be an unintended consequence of a GFC, war, disese epidemic, climate catastrophe etc. Brexit is near the bottom of that list IMHO.

I am encouraged by most of the ideas in that report.

https://landforthemany.uk/4-stabilising-the-system-the-common-ground-trust/

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20 minutes ago, Si1 said:

Yes the EU gave us the NHS.. Well done.

Great I can race my speedboat against your fleet. :)

 

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6 hours ago, pig said:

Wow you are really scraping the barrel lol

So you will not make any points for discussion from your own post references.  

But you will assert  er....Im a  far right racist  nazi ‘white replacement’ fecktard too stunted of intellect to discuss my own posts !? How curious ...😂  

Or has my limited intellect failed to grasp your peculiar coyness and yet desperation on border control, support for the breaking point poster, 2 year obsessive ‘brown people’ retaliation.....  might all be somehow be connected to your (non-discursive!) beeline for the ‘white replacement’ reference ? 🤔 

:blink: Another diversion but I'll accept your considered statement rather than the one I made upthread.

Back to stunted intellect:

 

On ‎08‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 23:58, Sheeple Splinter said:

All you need to do is click on the trackback arrow in the top RH corner to find the points/questions posed.

Since you are struggling, stop clicking when you get to "... idiots and Sharia Law...", and the picture with EU Border in big letters.

Is it any wonder this thread is 4000+ pages long?

 

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6 hours ago, zugzwang said:

1. Except that's not a Labour Party document, or Labour Party policy.

2. And you neglected to post the authors' proposed solution.

 

1. Thanks, it is indeed, "A report to the Labour Party, June 2019". :)

 

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6 hours ago, zugzwang said:

1. Except that's not a Labour Party document, or Labour Party policy.

2. And you neglected to post the authors' proposed solution.

 

2. Intentionally of course since the HPC excerpt was my point.

I'm mostly in favour of the report so far.

https://landforthemany.uk/5-place-before-profit-taking-back-control-of-land-development/ 

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6 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

:blink: Another diversion but I'll accept your considered statement rather than the one I made upthread.

Back to stunted intellect:

 

 

🙄

OK well this is starting to get amusing!

Now your modus operandi is becoming clear, how long can you keep going like this and what is the point exactly ? You do have some point to make about EU border control yes ? Or no ?

And are you genuinely one of these nativist alt-right freaks ? It would certainly explain a lot, but you know,  correlation is not causation...

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2 hours ago, jonb2 said:

What bloody difference does a threshold make on a deeply flawed referendum?...

It could have made all the difference to you and your fellow travellers? :)

Can you direct me to any contemporaneous articles on the, "... deeply flawed referendum."?

 

2 hours ago, jonb2 said:

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Now, if you are asking if Cameron should have thought deeper about the question and a threshold for the result - then obviously yes. But it's 100% retro-hypothetical. I don't see where it gets us apart from confirming how super-incompetent the Tories are.

You've been had, jonb2! :)

You only need to look at the WA/Indicative vote farce and compare it to the passage of the EU Referendum Bill.

The UK's ire is being reflected by the PoW back on to the citizens. 

As discussed upthread, divide and conquer.

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3 minutes ago, pig said:

🙄

OK well this is starting to get amusing!

Now your modus operandi is becoming clear, how long can you keep going like this and what is the point exactly ? You do have some point to make about EU border control yes ? Or no ?

And are you genuinely one of these nativist alt-right freaks ? It would certainly explain a lot, but you know,  correlation is not causation...

:blink: Another diversion :lol:

Back to stunted intellect; I challenged two of your posts and yes, one was EU Border Control the other, including instructions, can be found via:

On ‎08‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 23:58, Sheeple Splinter said:

All you need to do is click on the trackback arrow in the top RH corner to find the points/questions posed.

Since you are struggling, stop clicking when you get to "... idiots and Sharia Law...", and the picture with EU Border in big letters.

Is it any wonder this thread is 4000+ pages long?

 

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4 hours ago, kzb said:

The ambassador has been fatally compromised by whoever leaked his comments.

That leak has made his position untenable.  He can't effectively do his job in the US after this leak.  He will have to be replaced.

This would be the case if it were some other country than the US.

This is the fault of the "leaker" or leakers and those who chose to publish the leak.

 

Quite and it's only a couple of months since the last one...

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… Defence secretary was fired by prime minister after investigation into Huawei leak...

 

… the world laughs even louder?

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No, only PPE Oxford, unless they post on this thread.

I think there may well be a problem with PPE. Three subjects, so they never study one in depth, and the two I know something about are very complex and subtle subjects. Economics cannot even properly define a central concept - "utility".

That said, most MPs have not studied any economics and know a lot less than those who did PPE - pretty much nothing. https://positivemoney.org/2017/10/mp-poll/

A bigger problem is that so many of them are career politicians and do not bring in experience of anything else to the job.

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2 hours ago, tomandlu said:

Social care, employment rights, work hours, wages (net) - there are other metrics. It's telling that none of the 'top 3' are places where I'd want to be the average citizen.

For how long though?

 

On ‎08‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 23:52, Sheeple Splinter said:

Unsurprisingly, most of the issues in this article have been raised and some discussed on this thread...

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What Europe is really fighting about...

… So what happens when this system is challenged not just by champions of “illiberal democracy” like Hungarian leader Viktor Orbán, but also by heavyweight countries such as France and Germany?...

… As China rises and its illiberal political model proves to be economically successful, the EU faces a quandary: Should it compromise its free-market soul to protect itself from Beijing?...

… Should that happen, the travel-free Schengen zone — crucial for doing business across the EU — could collapse entirely. That would end the single market as we know it. It would also be very expensive: If trade barriers are reintroduced within Europe, GDP would drop by 8 percent in Germany and 7 percent in Italy, for example, according to the European Central Bank...

… The debt crisis that hit Europe at the start of the decade taught us that maintaining price stability — the European Central Bank’s primary goal — is not enough to prevent the collapse of banks across the Continent...

… What’s at stake is a big part of the EU’s identity. The bloc accounts for just 7 percent of the world’s population and 25 percent of its GDP, but it is also the source of 50 percent of its welfare. If the EU can’t find ways to bring costs down, voters may see yet another reason to turn to Euroskeptic or nationalist politicians promising to find ways to better protect citizens...

… There’s a major gap in Europe’s ability to stand on its own: If it were to come under military attack, it wouldn’t be able to defend itself without help from the United States...

 

… will von der Leyen and Lagarde deliver a United States of Europe in the next five years?

 

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27 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

 

:blink: Another diversion :lol:

Back to stunted intellect; I challenged two of your posts and yes, one was EU Border Control the other, including instructions, can be found via:

 

Well here you go sweetie, here is your own post, now wipe away the tears.

Any chance of you making your point ? Pretty please ?

Or is continuing your 2 year 'brown people' tantrum/retaliation over me taking the p1ss out of your precious breaking point poster somehow more cathartic for you ? 

 

On 01/07/2019 at 00:31, Sheeple Splinter said:

 

 

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2 hours ago, jonb2 said:

The EU has trade deals with Canada, South Korea, Mexico, Japan, Australia, NZ, Vietnam a new one with South America.

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/negotiations-and-agreements/

And after Brexit, how many do we have?? And how fecking long will they take? And what will we have to concede to get them? And who the feck is going to negotiate them?

If you want to see what's economically uncompetitive, come back here in 10 years for the dictionary definition.

I realise that the UK is still pre-Brexit but perhaps these pages can inform you?

 

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The UK has signed continuity trade agreements with non-EU countries so that trade can continue with minimal disruption after the UK leaves the EU.

These countries account for 63% of trade currently covered by EU agreements for which the UK is seeking continuity.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/signed-uk-trade-agreements-transitioned-from-the-eu

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/existing-trade-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal/existing-trade-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal

 

Can you name one country that won't want to trade with the UK? 

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2 hours ago, thecrashingisles said:

That's just not true.  For one thing the cash value of growth in the EU is worth more than a large percentage of a smaller economy.  Secondly the EU has a far better record of promoting free trade globally than the USA.

Post Brexit UK excepted :)

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1 hour ago, pig said:

Great I can race my speedboat against your fleet. :)

 

Excellent. Tally ho!

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