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52 minutes ago, rollover said:

Theresa called snap elections to outnumber ERG brexiters 

I think you are quite wrong . . . and certainly according to Matthew Parris. She courted the 'batshit' Tories which, together with the 'payroll vote' should have kept her in operational control. 

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2 hours ago, crouch said:

Bannon is a libertarian and if most people knew what their policies entailed they wouldn't be at all keen on them. In a Europe with a social democratic history they are, by and large, anathema.

I strongly suspect the far right nationalists in Europe aren't wary of Bannon because of their social democratic history but because, well, they're far right nationalists - with no intention of delivering their countries up to US corporations on a plate.

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MSNBC regards Bannon as part of the Evil Empire, diametrically opposite to their growing outright socialism and of course being a pal of Trump's is a huge red flag to the point of him being more or less persona non grata.

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To repeat - its an interview with Bannon using his own mouth and forming his own words.

I'm sure MSNBC are very very anti- far right but in this case that's almost entirely irrelevant.

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When Mueller came out with his Russiagate conclusions and more or less exonerated Trump Rachel Maddow more or less refused point blank to accept the conclusions. They and CNN are fake news.

Perhaps naughty of Rachel Maddow at the time ? Anyway, from words also formed using  Muellers own mouth it turns out she was right: Trump was not exonerated.

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DUP partly to blame for holding up Brexit

Mr Kawczynski told "We have still not left the European Union, in part because the DUP absolutely categorically refused to contemplate the Northern Ireland backstop."

He added: "It's a very difficult position for a governing party like mine not to be able to get legislation through without the say so of the DUP and I think with Boris Johnson as leader of the Conservative Party we have every opportunity to win an election in our own right."

Mr Kawczynski, is a former member of the European Research Group, he stood down in April after becoming concerned that a "hardcore element of 'Unicorn' dreamers" was "endangering Brexit" by refusing to vote for Theresa May's withdrawal deal.

belfasttelegraph

 

Ah, the blame game.

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8 hours ago, pig said:

I strongly suspect the far right nationalists in Europe aren't wary of Bannon because of their social democratic history but because, well, they're far right nationalists - with no intention of delivering their countries up to US corporations on a plate.

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To repeat - its an interview with Bannon using his own mouth and forming his own words.

I'm sure MSNBC are very very anti- far right but in this case that's almost entirely irrelevant.

Perhaps naughty of Rachel Maddow at the time ? Anyway, from words also formed using  Muellers own mouth it turns out she was right: Trump was not exonerated.

IIRC Maddow was denying more or less everything. The hatred of Trump is quite amazing.

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10 hours ago, Dorkins said:

My original comment was about the growth of voting for eurosceptic parties in Europe.

This is a survey of sentiment; not the same thing. 

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10 minutes ago, crouch said:

IIRC Maddow was denying more or less everything. The hatred of Trump is quite amazing.

Trump is simply Trump, his way or no way

 

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Do NOT interrupt the president!

‘And let’s do that over, he’s coughing in the middle of my answer,’ Trump says.

‘I don’t like that, you know, I don’t like that.’

An agitated Trump tells Mulvaney, ‘You just can’t, you just can’t cough. Boy oh boy.’

Daily Mail

 

 

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10 hours ago, Dorkins said:

On the figures you quoted the 3 right wing groupings gained about 20 seats in a parliament of 750 MEPs.

Perhaps a ripple rather than a surge.

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Boris enjoys Tory rivals leadership debate

Boris Johnson stayed at home as contenders took hits at each other over who would be the next Prime Minister of the UK. Boris relaxed and ordered takeaways from Deliveroo and Uber Eats.

Daily Mail

 

Popcorn time for Boris.

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9 hours ago, pig said:

Perhaps naughty of Rachel Maddow at the time ? Anyway, from words also formed using  Muellers own mouth it turns out she was right: Trump was not exonerated.

From what I can see he was exonerated of the Russiagate collusions and the non exonerations refer to obstruction of justice - obstruction of the Mueller investigation itself.

There is more to come.

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25 minutes ago, crouch said:

My original comment was about the growth of voting for eurosceptic parties in Europe.

This is a survey of sentiment; not the same thing. 

It looks like polarisation to me. The total number of voters with eurosceptic views hasn't necessarily changed, but their voting behavious has - instead of voting for the mainstream right parties they are splintering off into more radical right parties.

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5 minutes ago, Dorkins said:

It looks like polarisation to me. The total number of voters with eurosceptic views hasn't necessarily changed, but their voting behavious has - instead of voting for the mainstream right parties they are splintering off into more radical right parties.

You may be right.

Another thing is that ES may fluctuate over time; there's maybe a secular trend and a "cyclical" component. When times are good ES falls; when they're bad it rises. Whether the secular component is up or down or stable I don't know.

Furthermore you have to look at individual countries. Italy's going through the wringer and their ES is quite high; other countries are in a much better position. In fact it may be that ES is largely a nationally based phenomenon and has only muted resonance at the EU level.

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On 16/06/2019 at 00:13, dragging boot straps said:

This is fantastic news thanks. EU migration crashing through the floor. 

Next target non EU migration. The political eye will bring this into sharp focus soon no doubt or the UK will vote someone in who will. 

EU migration has fallen because just voting to leave has made us a poorer less attractive country compared to the other EU states. 

But no worries there are plenty of other far poorer countries we can still recruit from. 

As migrants from these poorer countries tend to bring more dependants with them and are far less likely to ever leave the UK, the net effect of Brexit is likely to be a net rise in migration.

Still at least you knew what you were voting for.

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Brussels nicknamed Dominic Raab 'The Turnip' during his disastrous spell as Brexit secretary

Dominic Raab’s Brexit negotiating strategy was so wrong-headed he was nicknamed “The Turnip” in Brussels, EU sources have claimed. Brussels sources said that Mr Raab was not the fully-briefed details man or tough negotiator meting out home truths to the EU he claims to be in his Tory leadership campaign speeches.

“The Turnip”, a play on raap, the Dutch word for the vegetable, allegedly "chickened out" when confronted by Michel Barnier over empty threats he made about the Irish border in a “very tense” meeting, according to the insiders.

Telegraph

 

Brexit incompetence.

Surely the EU must be blamed for it.

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2 hours ago, rollover said:

 

Popcorn time for Boris.

He's taken a leaf out of Farage's book.

Here in its entirety is the next Tory General Election manifesto.

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14 hours ago, crouch said:

Bannon is a libertarian and if most people knew what their policies entailed they wouldn't be at all keen on them. In a Europe with a social democratic history they are, by and large, anathema.

MSNBC regards Bannon as part of the Evil Empire, diametrically opposite to their growing outright socialism and of course being a pal of Trump's is a huge red flag to the point of him being more or less persona non grata.

When Mueller came out with his Russiagate conclusions and more or less exonerated Trump Rachel Maddow more or less refused point blank to accept the conclusions. They and CNN are fake news.

I don't think he is a libertarian. But I can see why you think he is.

He's a far-right nationalist. Or 'economic nationalist' as he prefers.

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24 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

I don't think he is a libertarian. But I can see why you think he is.

He's a far-right nationalist. Or 'economic nationalist' as he prefers.

He's said he agrees with quite a bit of libertarian thinking but he's actually a mixture, more nuanced than many give him credit for.

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1 minute ago, crouch said:

He's said he agrees with quite a bit of libertarian thinking but he's actually a mixture, more nuanced than many give him credit for.

I'm sure he does. He's an ex-Goldman Sachs banker after all. Close to the money.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/steve-bannon-secretive-training-school-far-right-conservatives-gladiator-a8912186.html

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1 minute ago, crouch said:

There's one good thing about him; the Koch brothers hate him so he can't be all bad.

Yes, I read that too. We could do with a lot more division among these cvnts. It would be a nice change to what they are doing to us.

 

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11 minutes ago, crouch said:

He's said he agrees with quite a bit of libertarian thinking but he's actually a mixture, more nuanced than many give him credit for.

'Nuanced' is a diplomatic (or credulous) way of saying he's intellectually incoherent.

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11 minutes ago, jonb2 said:

Yes, I read that too. We could do with a lot more division among these cvnts. It would be a nice change to what they are doing to us.

 

They fund a lot of libertarian think tanks. Of course libertarianism is so much easier if you have $50 billion at your back. Of course what they perhaps may not realize is  that in a libertarian world they may not keep it for very long.

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1 hour ago, zugzwang said:

He's taken a leaf out of Farage's book.

Here in its entirety is the next Tory General Election manifesto.

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I thought it's the leak from Brexit Party General Election manifesto.

BTW, where is the Brexit unicorn?

 

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Rory Stewart surges to SECOND favourite in Tory leader race

At the hustings in Parliament today, Mr Stewart was asked about Mr Johnson and said: 'he doesn't, as far as I can see, have a plan.'

Mr Stewart highlighted that Mr Johnson had been wooing moderates like Matt Hancock - who today backed him for the leadership - as well as hardliners like Mark Francois. 

'He seems to be having different relationships in different rooms with people who are not talking to each other,' Mr Stewart said. 

Daily Mail

 

Who is benefiting the most from Tory fractures and people/MP's who are not talking to each other?

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