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6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

The south’s loss is the north’s gain.

The problem is that your Brexit government has different plans - obviously.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-brexit-funding-regions-tory-leadership-contest-structural-funds-a8952186.html

And there I was thinking there was a huge pot of gold waiting for us after Brexit. I must try and believe harder.

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Damn, Labour seeking to pass a new law to prevent a Tory PM proroguing Parliament to force a no deal Brexit on August 31st.

I was hoping that McVey, or another loopy prime ministerial hopeful, would get elected and try just that before being stopped in their tracks by Parliament thus forcing the revocation of A50 and a general election.

Labour shooting themselves in the foot again :(, they should've kept their powder dry.

 

 

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Yes I do think it would be value adding to Leeds. A bunch of whole new businesses can be started to support the fresh money and customer base.

Some of these emloyees May leave and set up tgeir own businesses, but now in Leeds rather than London; so that’s more jobs and more opportunity.

How the feck do places like Rotherham get better unless we make strategic investment in them. That’s people, businesses, money, government. The whole package.

By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London.

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26 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

It depends entirely on your lifestyle.  It could easily be more expensive for a given person to relocate from London to Leeds.

Agree, apart from cost of housing London is so much cheaper to live day to day than very many other places in the UK......stamp duty could be the only major outlay if sideways moving.....London better value for council tax same bands, water rates, food, eating out if you pick your places carefully....transport and utilities both a better price and better quality service......more competition for those living in London.....more people to share the costs with, much of the entertainment is available for free including a free freedom pass from age 60.;)

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9 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Damn, Labour seeking to pass a new law to prevent a Tory PM proroguing Parliament to force a no deal Brexit on August 31st.

I was hoping that McVey, or another loopy prime ministerial hopeful, would get elected and try just that before being stopped in their tracks by Parliament thus forcing the revocation of A50 and a general election.

Labour shooting themselves in the foot again :(, they should've kept their powder dry.

Agree.

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5 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London.

There is s risk of ‘colonisation’ but done well moves like this can have a positives ripple effect for the whole area.

If the impact is too big for Leeds they could set up a C4 satellite office for senior management and Human Resources Down the road in Bolton.

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9 minutes ago, Riedquat said:

By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London.

So you have a problem with crowded London, but you also don't want to fix this by moving jobs to other cities. So the crowds should stay in London.

Sport, you are a true conundrum. I think you just like howling at the moon.

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1 hour ago, thecrashingisles said:

You could try thinking for yourself, and with your previous answer you seemed to agree with my argument.  You can't look at UK institutions in isolation and therefore conclude that the courts have more power - as a member of the EU, the EU institutions themselves become part of our system of government.

I do think for myself and need no advice from you on that.

I can - and do - look at things any way I want.

 

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7 hours ago, crouch said:

The "decades of misery" is a giant presumption. Most unlikely.

To begin with there is not much "might" about it. By common consent the Euro is unsustainable without a fiscal and banking union and you will not get that because if you get that you are getting very close to a federal state. Germany is already on the hook for Euros 1 tn under the Target 2 regime and most consider this uncollectable. The average German will not be best pleased when he is acquainted with this fact.

But the main reason is the monumental irresponsibility of even starting such a project, knowing full well that it is fundamentally flawed, taking a huge risk with many peoples livelihoods. 

Sorry I meant going by the Ivan Rogers video you referenced. I'm just agog you've rationalised to yourself that a lost decade(s) is OK compared to it 'all being a disaster' I mean when did that bombshell become a Leave vote winner lol ?

Ditto with the funny myopia of "monumental irresponsibility of ...taking a huge risk with many peoples livelihoods".

If the Eurozone fails, of what benefit is Brexit to us ? Why would the 'not much "might" about' the UK breaking up be worth it ?

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1 minute ago, pig said:

Sorry I meant going by the Ivan Rogers video you referenced. I'm just agog you've rationalised to yourself that a lost decade(s) is OK compared to it 'all being a disaster' I mean when did that bombshell become a Leave vote winner lol ?

No, Ivan Rogers says in the video that he's very optimistic about the UK in the long term but there will be a "sticky" period of 8 - 10 years. By "sticky" I don't think he means just economic;he's talking about politically and perhaps socially because this matter has opened Pandora's box. The "all being a disaster" is the refrain of Remainers who think it bad, bad, bad from the get go and forever more. 

 

7 minutes ago, pig said:

Ditto with the funny myopia of "monumental irresponsibility of ...taking a huge risk with many peoples livelihoods".

If the Eurozone fails, of what benefit is Brexit to us ? Why would the 'not much "might" about' the UK breaking up be worth it ?

There are some who believe that the Euro was pushed through knowing its faults. Sooner or later there would be a crisis and that crisis would pressure the member states to complete the EZ architecture and thereby not only secure the Euro but take a giant step to a federal state. I don't believe in that conspiracy myself but it has some marginal credibility.

If it fails Brexit is indeed of no value. I hope it doesn't and in fact I hope for more. It would be far better for us to have a prosperous and stable Europe next to us while we are going through the "sticky" period but I don't think this will happen. As Ivan Rogers says: the EU has huge problems of its own and Brexit is a sideshow.

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3 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

The absolute state of this...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/jun/09/channels-4s-move-out-of-london-will-cost-at-least-50m

90% of Channel 4 staff will quit as they can’t face a move from their metropolitan London bubble to Leeds!

Redundancy option reported as one month salary for each year of service with no upper limit ! 

Someone told me when the BBC moved some operations to Salford Quays, they were paying for door to door taxis so staff could commute from London. 

They also insisted on being escorted by security from taxi to doorway and back again.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Riedquat said:

By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London.

"You're insane !!" ;)

 

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2 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Nah - it’s Elitism.

I’ve been involved in organisational relocations directly.

Bullsh1t.

But I agree we're too centralised: the more people and companies investing outside of London the better. 

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Peterborough by-election news:

  • Three men claim to have burnt 1000 Brexit Party votes (been referred to police)
  • There were over 13,000 postal votes issued
  • 29% of Labour votes were postal votes

 

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3 hours ago, Trump Invective said:

Ooh long delay vs immediate second ref - the Conservatives would have to weigh up which will affect their support the least. 

I don't think many of the experienced politicians really want a 2nd ref on their watch.

It will just cause bother.  Why not kick it forward years so the next lot have to sort it.

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30 minutes ago, kzb said:

Redundancy option reported as one month salary for each year of service with no upper limit ! 

Someone told me when the BBC moved some operations to Salford Quays, they were paying for door to door taxis so staff could commute from London. 

They also insisted on being escorted by security from taxi to doorway and back again.

That's a pretty standard redundancy package.  Why would anyone who is any ambitious/good, not take the money and stay in London.

As a result the provincial offices of these relocated firms are populated by second raters, often leading to outsourcing of much of the high level/creative work often back to London based firms.

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3 hours ago, Riedquat said:

And when there's one you don't agree with - tough luck. Whether people can easily enough find one they disagree with or not is beside the point, the point is who is setting them, how democratically accountable they are, and IMO that should be down to individual nations. Sometimes they'll agree to co-operate, sometimes go their own way and that's how it should be.

There are a lot of things the institutions of the UK do that I don't agree with, I am just one person and have no ability to change this. So it's regulations set in Westminster that I can't control vs regulations set in Brussels that I can't control, but which at least enable international trade which is good for the economy I live in.

People seem to think that bringing EEA regulations back to London is going to make them better and give people less to complain about. I don't believe that for a second, I think people will just stop moaning about Brussels and complain about London instead. At least with the EEA we get the economic benefits of continent-wide free trade.

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2 hours ago, kzb said:

Peterborough by-election news:

  • Three men claim to have burnt 1000 Brexit Party votes (been referred to police)

 

The guy claiming to have burnt these votes also said he was following a government directive to do it. File under fantasist.

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Breaking News: Farmers tell Price William that Brexit is like “turkeys voting for Christmas”

 

Adam Day, from The Farmer Network said they were facing a perfect storm in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

He spoke of the value of their animals halving, their European export market drying up and the subsidies from the controversial Common Agricultural Policy drying up and not being replaced.

At another point on their trip the Duchess of Cambridge gamely helped shear a sheep during a visit to a Cumbrian farm.

 

More to follow. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7129185/Prince-William-asks-farmers-Brexit-big-concern-told-like-turkeys-voting-Christmas.html

 

Edited by MonsieurCopperCrutch
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11 hours ago, kzb said:

Peterborough by-election news:

  • Three men claim to have burnt 1000 Brexit Party votes (been referred to police)

If he managed to take them away from the polling station without them being counted, why would he bother burning them (why not just shred them or even dump them in bins)? I think deliberate miscounting is possible, but not on a large scale.

If he burned them inside, clearly people would have noticed and fire alarms would have been set off.

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