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7 minutes ago, rollover said:

What are the goodies for Brexiteers? 🤣 🤣 🤣

Good question. That's a Reuters report of a social media posting by the BBC Newsnight political editor (I though that copying & pasting reporting on social media posting was the speciality of the Daily Mail?).

You can see the goodies discussion, and ask the author yourself, here: 

 

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34 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

“As a next step, we could start the symbolic project of building an aircraft carrier to give shape to the role of the European Union as a global force for security and peace.”

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1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said:

How in any way shape or form have I taken peace in Europe for granted or disrespected people who have sacrificed their lives on the altar of freedom?

Because I want to leave the EU?

Grow up.

By voting to leave and not helping shape the EU for our common good you are also abdication responsibility for peace within Europe....the EU is a peace project.......so far as you are concerned it's not our problem.......that is disrespectful.......you sound like a shirker....and one who uses ww2 images to suit your agenda in a shameful way. 

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39 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

“As a next step, we could start the symbolic project of building an aircraft carrier to give shape to the role of the European Union as a global force for security and peace.”

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I've learnt by now that I should assume you fully understand the subject you are discussing.

In this case, the French defense industry, who are very keen on a EU army if it's equipment is entirely supplied by the French with the aid of the Germans and other EU suppliers.

The same sales talk ******** was present at the birth of the Eurofighter and I'm sure the same desire to force EU nations to buy French is still there today..

Isn't going to happen. Defense is outside EU influence. And France will screw themselves if they get in bed with the Germans, hippies will block their exports. 

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So anyway, which Brexiteer will become PM? ...and that will kill off the second referendum...

Edited by Dave Beans

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33 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

So anyway, which Brexiteer will become PM? ...and that will kill off the second referendum...

Could also kill off Brexit.  Might rescue the ERG though - I’d imagine swopping out Conservative votes for Brexiteer votes  might not get the WA anywhere but might stem the flow to the Brexit Party.

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On 15/05/2019 at 05:10, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s sock puppets - not sock puppies!

You sockie puppie mister grizzlydave sweet cheeks?

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On 15/05/2019 at 01:39, Dorkins said:

It's extremely obvious that you are a native English speaker pretending to be a foreigner.

not to me it isnt!

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3 minutes ago, pig said:

Could also kill off Brexit.  Might rescue the ERG though - I’d imagine swopping out Conservative votes for Brexiteer votes  might not get the WA anywhere but might stem the flow to the Brexit Party.

It heightens no deal to a big probability...they wont withdraw the A50 notification and the EU wont renegotiate the WA...

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13 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

It heightens no deal to a big probability...they wont withdraw the A50 notification and the EU wont renegotiate the WA...

The question is whether a Brexiteer PM could force no-deal on Parliament and the country when it’s seems clear it’s against the will of both. I think it’s possible but we’d be in a terrible state and it would make revoking A50 look like a picnic.

 

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34 minutes ago, pig said:

The question is whether a Brexiteer PM could force no-deal on Parliament and the country when it’s seems clear it’s against the will of both. I think it’s possible but we’d be in a terrible state and it would make revoking A50 look like a picnic.

 

They dont need to force a no deal; they can just let the clock tick down (as its the default), and not allow any more significant votes on the subject. 

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30 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

They dont need to force a no deal; they can just let the clock tick down (as its the default), and not allow any more significant votes on the subject. 

They could be brought down by a confidence vote though.

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7 hours ago, IMHAL said:

 

By voting to leave and not helping shape the EU for our common good you are also abdication responsibility for peace within Europe....the EU is a peace project.......so far as you are concerned it's not our problem.......that is disrespectful.......you sound like a shirker....and one who uses ww2 images to suit your agenda in a shameful way. 

That’s an extraordinary statement to make. Do you feel that way about our NATO partner Norway?

I’m not disrespecting ww2! I rarely mention it. It’s three weeks until the 75th anniversary of DDay. I was responding to the negative comments about America’s warfighting. Scroll back - it’s all there!

On the 6th of June 1944 IMHO it was America’s finest hour.

There’s a great deal of America bashing that takes place on here. I was attempting to highlight the US in a more favourable light. As the Americans would say, they stepped up to the plate.

I was respecting this tremendous bravery, not disrespecting it. And it has nothing to do with my views on the EU.

Edited by GrizzlyDave

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7 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

I've learnt by now that I should assume you fully understand the subject you are discussing.

In this case, the French defense industry, who are very keen on a EU army if it's equipment is entirely supplied by the French with the aid of the Germans and other EU suppliers.

The same sales talk ******** was present at the birth of the Eurofighter and I'm sure the same desire to force EU nations to buy French is still there today..

Isn't going to happen. Defense is outside EU influence. And France will screw themselves if they get in bed with the Germans, hippies will block their exports. 

I must confess I am not an expert on carriers! Though I do find the fascinating from an engineering perspective.

You may be right, I may be wrong. I don’t like the chatter on this (armies, carriers).

Btw defence is now part of the EU.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/nine-european-countries-to-formalise-eu-defence-force-plan/

https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headquarters-homepage_en/35285/Towards a stronger EU on security and defence

https://www.rte.ie/amp/1031587/

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/21/europe-finally-pulls-the-trigger-on-a-military-force-eu-army-trump

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/25/nine-eu-states-to-sign-off-on-joint-military-intervention-force

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Well I voted for Brexit and so did all of my family, friends and colleagues.

AND we are not for turning.

Its now time for Nigel and Boris to take over  - The Brexit dream team.

You know it makes sense, so embrace the change folks.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, FANG said:

Well I voted for Brexit and so did all of my family, friends and colleagues.

AND we are not for turning.

Its now time for Nigel and Boris to take over  - The Brexit dream team.

You know it makes sense, so embrace the change folks.

 

Why?

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6 hours ago, Dave Beans said:

They dont need to force a no deal; they can just let the clock tick down (as its the default), and not allow any more significant votes on the subject. 

Forget about the how: It would be foolish undemocratic and unpopular.

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52 minutes ago, FANG said:

Well I voted for Brexit and so did all of my family, friends and colleagues.

AND we are not for turning.

Its now time for Nigel and Boris to take over  - The Brexit dream team.

You know it makes sense, so embrace the change folks.

 

 

Such appointments would at least make them accountable for when it all goes badly..

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14 minutes ago, pig said:

Forget about the how: It would be foolish undemocratic and unpopular.

Would they care?

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4 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

Would they care?

I really don’t know.

A significant minority of voters have been groomed and radicalised over this . Can they chase this vote and take for granted their current ‘Conservative’  vote ?  Hope that it all blows over by the next test at the ballot box ?

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

That’s an extraordinary statement to make. Do you feel that way about our NATO partner Norway?

I’m not disrespecting ww2! I rarely mention it. It’s three weeks until the 75th anniversary of DDay. I was responding to the negative comments about America’s warfighting. Scroll back - it’s all there!

On the 6th of June 1944 IMHO it was America’s finest hour.

There’s a great deal of America bashing that takes place on here. I was attempting to highlight the US in a more favourable light. As the Americans would say, they stepped up to the plate.

I was respecting this tremendous bravery, not disrespecting it. And it has nothing to do with my views on the EU.

It is not an extraordinary statement at all. Two world wars, millions dead. The EU was set up as a peace project and we are 'opting out'. So yes..... it is disrespectful to put it mildy. Nationalism is on the rise within Europe and we helped and are helping to accelerate that.. we and the yanks played a significant part in making that a problem for Europe by stirring up conflct in Iraq, Afganistan etc and by our attitude to banks and the loose money we unleashed. The GFC and QE sirred up another hornets nest and made the already poor much poorer. The whole tsunami of war and economic immigrants and has led to a problem for all and we are 'walking away'. Thank you very much Uk world citizen. 

I do feel that way about Norway. Today is the Norweigan constitution day, 200 yrs old today. They where invaded by the Germans, it took all of one day to accomplish  the task as they where totally unprepared. The Norwegian people got off lightly because .... well, you can guess why... we are all responsible for the continued peace and prosperity within the EU. It is time to stop bashing and time to start mending, because the possible alternative is not very appealing. 

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9 hours ago, IMHAL said:

You take peace within Europe for granted.... that is disrespectful of those that gave their lives to gain peace and to those who put in place the mechanisms to ensure it continues..... for and your children.....you schmuck... 

I'm afraid he's right. NATO is the main reason we've had peace for the last seventy years. A US commander of NATO is a symbol that the US stood behind us against the Soviet Union. And of course MAD.

The EU was originally a US project to build a prosperous Europe to buttress the military alliance and act as a bulwark against Soviet expansionism. I've read somewhere that the Schuman Declaration  which started the ECSC, the forerunner of the EU, was actually written by Dean Acheson, the US Secretary of State. 

Furthermore in 1948 the US founded a private organisation: The American Committee on United Europe the purpose of which was to counter communism in Europe. This was the sponsor of the ECSC. It received substantial funds from the CIA.

It's a bit ironic that many on here deplore the US and can see us falling to them after leaving the EU when the fact is that the EU itself is a US project.

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