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22 minutes ago, highYield said:

I like the 5% UKIPers who voted remain!

Degree 68% & no differentiation between successful & otherwise.

CoVIs said to look at Ashcroft's polling data.

What makes you think that is all the poling data he produced.   A  more detailed breakdown including salary and higher degree information was posted and discussed on here.  

Maybe he should have also looked at whether there was any correlation between being a Leaver and having the memory of a goldfish*.

* with apologies to goldfish who it turns out have quite good memories 

 

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3 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

What makes you think that is all the poling data he produced.   A  more detailed breakdown including salary and higher degree information was posted and discussed on here.  

Maybe he should have also looked at whether there was any correlation between being a Leaver and having the memory of a goldfish*.

* with apologies to goldfish who it turns out have quite good memories 

I asked you for a link because "If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain" sounds made up.

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28 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I think the chances of that happening are vanishingly small.

What about the chance of Labour abstaining, letting the deal go through and just sitting back and watching the Tories implode. 

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20 minutes ago, highYield said:

I asked you for a link because "If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain" sounds made up.

You will have to do your own research in this the higher figure came from some of the later more detailed analysis of Ashcroft's data linking the income and education data. I think that carried out by the JRF.  https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities  contains the raw data but a quick search didn't turn up the correlated figure. 

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16 hours ago, jonb2 said:

Your mistake is taking everything Brexit at face-value. Wanting to believe is not equivalent to the reality.

All smoke and mirrors - when are you going to accept everything Westminster says is Bull Shit?

https://www.ecnmy.org/engage/brexit-dividend-thats-gonna-fund-nhs/

:blink:

Hmmm...  back to the ball … again ...

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Image result for red bus referendum 2016

 

 

 

… and in 2018, from your link:

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… In a deja-vu throwback to the times when every newspaper's front page revolved around debating a highly controversial economics slogan on a bus, Theresa May is saying she'll put £394 million a week into the NHS from 2018-2023, a total of £20bn a year over five years... over half of which will come from money we're no longer sending to the EU, or a 'Brexit dividend'....

I suggest you revisit the reportage from 2016 before the 350m goalposts were moved. I think you'll be surprised. :)

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15 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

I am disappointed in you. Trolling, having a laugh or did you not actually read your link.

Medical related cost inflation is consistently higher than resulting in (the actual position is actually much worse when you factor in rising need):   


Also you seem to have forgotten that this was to be funded by savings arising from Brexit. As there have been no savings to date (last estimate I saw said not Brexiting is costing the public finances £17bn pa) where is the money coming from.   

:blink: 

Please see post above.

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9 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Rather than focus on Greece I’d suggest Italy.

If the Italians bailed from the Euro, and it collapses, and no one can contain it, and it got proper nasty with Germany, then it’s conceivable that they could completely step away from the table as the stability pact collapses, and panic chases the evaporating money supply. If a founding member left the EU, then anything could happen.

I think a USofE is more likely...

… or another direction for Italy:

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… Italy and China in plan for new Silk Road-style trade network of the main criticisms is the Italian government’s failure to consult its EU and US allies and research the geopolitical issues. But the EU snub could also be because of the bloc’s failure to come up with a common China strategy that is favourable for all member states. Italy’s share of Chinese investments has lagged in recent years compared with France and Germany’s. Meanwhile, southern European states have tended to benefit less from deals with China because their companies are smaller and finances weaker.

“There is an approach by our government that is not friendly towards the European commission, but the EU has had problems in adopting a policy on China that would benefit all,” said Cavalieri.

 

Edited by Sheeple Splinter
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4 hours ago, highYield said:

Europeans interested in democracy?

Apologies for the change of tack.

Is the China OBOR decision a topic of conversation amongst your Swiss colleagues?

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Swiss to support Belt and Road push during president's China trip...

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-china/swiss-to-support-belt-and-road-push-during-presidents-china-trip-idUKKCN1RS0X8

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6 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I’m not questioning the UK’s need for aircraft carriers.

I’m questioning the need for the European Coal and Steel Community to have one.

Perhaps because the member states, including the UK, decided to have one. Why do you have a problem with a group of countries deciding to pool resources?

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6 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

What about the chance of Labour abstaining, letting the deal go through and just sitting back and watching the Tories implode. 

I saw that in the news. Sounded like a journalist fishing an issue from the vacuum.

Yes it’s possible. Can you three line whip an abstain? Labours discipline is quite poor so perhaps it’s whether enough hand sitting could make the mathematical difference.

The timeframe is straight after the Euros. Both Tory and Labour will be bloodied by that.

My gut says it’s unlikely that Labour would abstain.

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2 hours ago, dugsbody said:

Perhaps because the member states, including the UK, decided to have one. Why do you have a problem with a group of countries deciding to pool resources?

Who owns it, who sails on it, who commands it, who sends it to war?

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16 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

 

Who owns it, who sails on it, who commands it, who sends it to war?

Germany and France. Who will pay for it and man it.

There is also going to be a pooled Air to Air refueling fleet. Five countries will share that.

Eurofighter is European. Shared by five countries. 

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7 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

 

Maybe he should have also looked at whether there was any correlation between being a Leaver and having the memory of a goldfish*.

* with apologies to goldfish who it turns out have quite good memories 

 

40 years of anti-EU propaganda and limited intelligence and bingo, you have Brexiteers.

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3 hours ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

Apologies for the change of tack.

Is the China OBOR decision a topic of conversation amongst your Swiss colleagues?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-china/swiss-to-support-belt-and-road-push-during-presidents-china-trip-idUKKCN1RS0X8

I'm in the UK at the moment, and the Swiss friends I have are more interested in skiing, beer and cows! I would say that the Swiss are both very nationalist & pragmatic - no way they'd let furriners own their infrastructure, or get in debt to them. They wouldn't hand over anything Swiss to the Chinese, so are immune to the disadvantages of the BRI. Guess they see it as a way of closening ties with China, as the article says helping development in Asia, with the bonus of some business out of it in specialised areas (railway efficiency/planning springs to mind).

Real shame the 1st referendum went the way it did - otherwise we'd have similar relationships with the EU as the Swiss, but with their freedoms (and resultant political competency in trade, etc). From your article: 

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Switzerland, one of the first Western states to recognise the People’s Republic, was the first country in continental Europe to reach a free trade agreement with China, its largest trade partner after the European Union and United States.

Perhaps May's embracing of Huawei is trying to follow the Swiss a bit. But they're not in Five Eyes 🙄

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7 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You will have to do your own research in this the higher figure came from some of the later more detailed analysis of Ashcroft's data linking the income and education data. I think that carried out by the JRF.  https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities  contains the raw data but a quick search didn't turn up the correlated figure. 

That's a new one - make a figure up, and tell anyone who queries it DYOR.

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9 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

If that happens though, the population's horizon will be building gallows and guillotines. 

This is true,  as one US billionaire said 'they aren't coming with pitchforks right now, but they will be'   however mega rich  live in a bubble and are only every really aware of their own ambitions.  Things tend to go to extremes before the people really do something about it, ie guillotines.  The brexit vote was in fact a shot across the bows re the current set of politicians of both sides which I, even as a remainer can understand as a 1/3rd of the population have been ignored by both the Tories, who trod them into the ground 3 decades ago and the champagne socialists who were all for diversity rather than economic reform favoring the people. However they were easily played by people with mega vested interests. 

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33 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Germany and France. Who will pay for it and man it.

There is also going to be a pooled Air to Air refueling fleet. Five countries will share that.

Eurofighter is European. Shared by five countries. 

You haven’t answered all my questions...

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8 hours ago, highYield said:

Europeans interested in democracy?

And the bexit party putting themselves up for election, who will get paid by EU.

Edited by steve99

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28 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

40 years of anti-EU propaganda and limited intelligence and bingo, you have Brexiteers.

The daily mail, express, the Murdoch press and so on have a lot to answer for.  Mind you our politicians have stuck it up the backsides of lower paid working people for the last 4 decades, removed their)housing options (like this site is aware of) removed the social mobility which we had spent over 30 years building up, put everyone into a state of perma-debt as the new norm, favoured big business and banking over people and to add to the lack of security re work and housing we now have the Tories introduce UC and the dodgy practices that put them into foodbank territory and so on. An own goal in fact for the two main political parties.

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