Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
GreenDevil

Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

Recommended Posts

6 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

What about the chance of Labour abstaining, letting the deal go through and just sitting back and watching the Tories implode. 

I saw that in the news. Sounded like a journalist fishing an issue from the vacuum.

Yes it’s possible. Can you three line whip an abstain? Labours discipline is quite poor so perhaps it’s whether enough hand sitting could make the mathematical difference.

The timeframe is straight after the Euros. Both Tory and Labour will be bloodied by that.

My gut says it’s unlikely that Labour would abstain.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

2 hours ago, dugsbody said:

Perhaps because the member states, including the UK, decided to have one. Why do you have a problem with a group of countries deciding to pool resources?

Who owns it, who sails on it, who commands it, who sends it to war?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

 

Who owns it, who sails on it, who commands it, who sends it to war?

Germany and France. Who will pay for it and man it.

There is also going to be a pooled Air to Air refueling fleet. Five countries will share that.

Eurofighter is European. Shared by five countries. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

 

Maybe he should have also looked at whether there was any correlation between being a Leaver and having the memory of a goldfish*.

* with apologies to goldfish who it turns out have quite good memories 

 

40 years of anti-EU propaganda and limited intelligence and bingo, you have Brexiteers.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

Apologies for the change of tack.

Is the China OBOR decision a topic of conversation amongst your Swiss colleagues?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-china/swiss-to-support-belt-and-road-push-during-presidents-china-trip-idUKKCN1RS0X8

I'm in the UK at the moment, and the Swiss friends I have are more interested in skiing, beer and cows! I would say that the Swiss are both very nationalist & pragmatic - no way they'd let furriners own their infrastructure, or get in debt to them. They wouldn't hand over anything Swiss to the Chinese, so are immune to the disadvantages of the BRI. Guess they see it as a way of closening ties with China, as the article says helping development in Asia, with the bonus of some business out of it in specialised areas (railway efficiency/planning springs to mind).

Real shame the 1st referendum went the way it did - otherwise we'd have similar relationships with the EU as the Swiss, but with their freedoms (and resultant political competency in trade, etc). From your article: 

Quote

Switzerland, one of the first Western states to recognise the People’s Republic, was the first country in continental Europe to reach a free trade agreement with China, its largest trade partner after the European Union and United States.

Perhaps May's embracing of Huawei is trying to follow the Swiss a bit. But they're not in Five Eyes 🙄

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You will have to do your own research in this the higher figure came from some of the later more detailed analysis of Ashcroft's data linking the income and education data. I think that carried out by the JRF.  https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities  contains the raw data but a quick search didn't turn up the correlated figure. 

That's a new one - make a figure up, and tell anyone who queries it DYOR.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

If that happens though, the population's horizon will be building gallows and guillotines. 

This is true,  as one US billionaire said 'they aren't coming with pitchforks right now, but they will be'   however mega rich  live in a bubble and are only every really aware of their own ambitions.  Things tend to go to extremes before the people really do something about it, ie guillotines.  The brexit vote was in fact a shot across the bows re the current set of politicians of both sides which I, even as a remainer can understand as a 1/3rd of the population have been ignored by both the Tories, who trod them into the ground 3 decades ago and the champagne socialists who were all for diversity rather than economic reform favoring the people. However they were easily played by people with mega vested interests. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Germany and France. Who will pay for it and man it.

There is also going to be a pooled Air to Air refueling fleet. Five countries will share that.

Eurofighter is European. Shared by five countries. 

You haven’t answered all my questions...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, highYield said:

Europeans interested in democracy?

And the bexit party putting themselves up for election, who will get paid by EU.

Edited by steve99

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

40 years of anti-EU propaganda and limited intelligence and bingo, you have Brexiteers.

The daily mail, express, the Murdoch press and so on have a lot to answer for.  Mind you our politicians have stuck it up the backsides of lower paid working people for the last 4 decades, removed their)housing options (like this site is aware of) removed the social mobility which we had spent over 30 years building up, put everyone into a state of perma-debt as the new norm, favoured big business and banking over people and to add to the lack of security re work and housing we now have the Tories introduce UC and the dodgy practices that put them into foodbank territory and so on. An own goal in fact for the two main political parties.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Dave Beans said:

...and when reality bites, watch the main players in this debacle skulk away, where only a year before they were hailed as heroes..

We go from an amicable Brexit, to 100% severing of all ties, and if its not this, it a betrayal, Brexit..

Bit hyperbolic there Dave.

The folk who will carry this forward will, I'm sure, approach the long term negotiations recognising mutual self interest. I realise that, to date, we've won the Nobel prize for incompetence but there's no need to carry on regardless in that same vein.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

 

A true poet.

As far as the UK is concerned all the misled; lies; didn't know what they were voting for is BS. British Social Attitudes have been polling on attitudes to the EU since 1992. Since 1996 more than 50% have either been in favour of leaving the EU or only staying if it is reformed substantially (which it won't be).

The 2016 result should have been much less of a surprise than it was.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
20 minutes ago, crouch said:

Bit hyperbolic there Dave.

The folk who will carry this forward will, I'm sure, approach the long term negotiations recognising mutual self interest. I realise that, to date, we've won the Nobel prize for incompetence but there's no need to carry on regardless in that same vein.

Of course we'll be in a position of strength when we WTO... they'll be banging on our door.....Fekin dreamer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, crouch said:

Bit hyperbolic there Dave.

The folk who will carry this forward will, I'm sure, approach the long term negotiations recognising mutual self interest. I realise that, to date, we've won the Nobel prize for incompetence but there's no need to carry on regardless in that same vein.

I don't know if it is... Farage seems to give very easy answers to questions that are / will be difficult to resolve.  Its very disappointing that people get sucked into his rhetoric, and people may need to have an education on what a no deal, in reality, means, for the UK to snap out of this fever.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

 

Hungary’s nationalist prime minister, Viktor Orbán, who has targeted immigrants in his speeches and has run an antisemitic campaign in which his former mentor George Soros has been depicted as a hate figure, is pushing his vision of illiberal democracy.

These are the divides that are appearing. This is where all this is headed - is this the future you dream about for your children?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

I don't know if it is... Farage seems to give very easy answers to questions that are / will be difficult to resolve.  Its very disappointing that people get sucked into his rhetoric, and people may need to have an education on what a no deal, in reality, means, for the UK to snap out of this fever.

I can't see Farage as being more than an irritant in all honesty; a demogogue who will fade. I think the reins will still be in the hands of more mainstream politicians and civil servants who'll adopt a less confrontational, more realistic approach to the long term settlement.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, crouch said:

I can't see Farage as being more than an irritant in all honesty; a demogogue who will fade. I think the reins will still be in the hands of more mainstream politicians and civil servants who'll adopt a less confrontational, more realistic approach to the long term settlement.

The last two years should have taught you that mainstream politicians and civil servants adopting a realistic approach feeds nationalist radicalisation.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
38 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

Hungary’s nationalist prime minister, Viktor Orbán, who has targeted immigrants in his speeches and has run an antisemitic campaign in which his former mentor George Soros has been depicted as a hate figure, is pushing his vision of illiberal democracy.

These are the divides that are appearing. This is where all this is headed - is this the future you dream about for your children?

I dream that my children will be able to afford a house, get my grand kids into good schools, and see a doctor when they need to.

I’m not really that interested in Hungarian politics; as long as they stick to the ECHR, UN, and NATO obligations.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
46 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

Hungary’s nationalist prime minister, Viktor Orbán, who has targeted immigrants in his speeches and has run an antisemitic campaign in which his former mentor George Soros has been depicted as a hate figure, is pushing his vision of illiberal democracy.

These are the divides that are appearing. This is where all this is headed - is this the future you dream about for your children?

Why do you think people like Orban get traction? Personality? Yes. But there are more substantial issues.

An extract from a New Yorker article:

"Fidesz and other right-wing parties in the E.U. contend that unelected bureaucrats are making consequential decisions—regulating markets, inflicting rules on technology and economic development, setting quotas of refugee resettlements—without the participation of European citizens; increasingly, voters agree."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, crouch said:

Why do you think people like Orban get traction? Personality? Yes. But there are more substantial issues.

An extract from a New Yorker article:

"Fidesz and other right-wing parties in the E.U. contend that unelected bureaucrats are making consequential decisions—regulating markets, inflicting rules on technology and economic development, setting quotas of refugee resettlements—without the participation of European citizens; increasingly, voters agree."

They may contend that, but is it accurate, and do they draw correct conclusions?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • 190 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.