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16 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Maybe that’s because the hardline Brexiteers want a hardline brexit.

I think we’re on the cusp of a swing  to no deal tbh.

The Euro election will be brutal.

Who cares about Euro election?

Tories and Labour have a plan, what do you think they negotiated last 3 weeks?

There will be little bit of hooray from Farage and his sympathizers, but that will be it.

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Do you think age makes you more patriotic?

Age gives one real world experience.

Anyone over 62 was old enough to vote in the 1st referendum (2019 - 1975 + 18 = 62).

In the yougov poll, those aged 65+ voted 64% leave in the 2nd referendum. When they had voted remain in the 1st referendum. Apparently as a result of living within & witnessing the evolution of EU over four decades.

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4 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

 

No I mean ‘more patriotic’

Surely you are either patriotic or not patriotic. How can you be more patriotic? By wearing Union Jack Pants?

Do you think Theresa May is patriotic, given that she chose not to deliver Brexit with no deal?

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20 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Given that the level of education is strongly correlated with support for Brexit, your final claim must mean you think that Brexit has nothing to do with patriotism (which for once is correct).

Actually what I’ve been reading it’s age plus being RW that messes your head into being a Brexiteer.

The education thing has to be taken with a pinch of salt as back in the day less people took degrees.

If it’s any consolation it might suggest authoritarian dogmatic intolerant people predisposed to moral panics and hysteria over folk devils are amenable to Brexit but they aren’t necessarily ‘thick’. 

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22 minutes ago, highYield said:

I like the 5% UKIPers who voted remain!

Degree 68% & no differentiation between successful & otherwise.

CoVIs said to look at Ashcroft's polling data.

What makes you think that is all the poling data he produced.   A  more detailed breakdown including salary and higher degree information was posted and discussed on here.  

Maybe he should have also looked at whether there was any correlation between being a Leaver and having the memory of a goldfish*.

* with apologies to goldfish who it turns out have quite good memories 

 

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3 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

What makes you think that is all the poling data he produced.   A  more detailed breakdown including salary and higher degree information was posted and discussed on here.  

Maybe he should have also looked at whether there was any correlation between being a Leaver and having the memory of a goldfish*.

* with apologies to goldfish who it turns out have quite good memories 

I asked you for a link because "If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain" sounds made up.

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20 minutes ago, highYield said:

I asked you for a link because "If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain" sounds made up.

You will have to do your own research in this the higher figure came from some of the later more detailed analysis of Ashcroft's data linking the income and education data. I think that carried out by the JRF.  https://www.jrf.org.uk/report/brexit-vote-explained-poverty-low-skills-and-lack-opportunities  contains the raw data but a quick search didn't turn up the correlated figure. 

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16 hours ago, jonb2 said:

Your mistake is taking everything Brexit at face-value. Wanting to believe is not equivalent to the reality.

All smoke and mirrors - when are you going to accept everything Westminster says is Bull Shit?

https://www.ecnmy.org/engage/brexit-dividend-thats-gonna-fund-nhs/

:blink:

Hmmm...  back to the ball … again ...

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Image result for red bus referendum 2016

 

 

 

… and in 2018, from your link:

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… In a deja-vu throwback to the times when every newspaper's front page revolved around debating a highly controversial economics slogan on a bus, Theresa May is saying she'll put £394 million a week into the NHS from 2018-2023, a total of £20bn a year over five years... over half of which will come from money we're no longer sending to the EU, or a 'Brexit dividend'....

I suggest you revisit the reportage from 2016 before the 350m goalposts were moved. I think you'll be surprised. :)

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15 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

I am disappointed in you. Trolling, having a laugh or did you not actually read your link.

Medical related cost inflation is consistently higher than resulting in (the actual position is actually much worse when you factor in rising need):   


Also you seem to have forgotten that this was to be funded by savings arising from Brexit. As there have been no savings to date (last estimate I saw said not Brexiting is costing the public finances £17bn pa) where is the money coming from.   

:blink: 

Please see post above.

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9 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Rather than focus on Greece I’d suggest Italy.

If the Italians bailed from the Euro, and it collapses, and no one can contain it, and it got proper nasty with Germany, then it’s conceivable that they could completely step away from the table as the stability pact collapses, and panic chases the evaporating money supply. If a founding member left the EU, then anything could happen.

I think a USofE is more likely...

… or another direction for Italy:

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… Italy and China in plan for new Silk Road-style trade network of the main criticisms is the Italian government’s failure to consult its EU and US allies and research the geopolitical issues. But the EU snub could also be because of the bloc’s failure to come up with a common China strategy that is favourable for all member states. Italy’s share of Chinese investments has lagged in recent years compared with France and Germany’s. Meanwhile, southern European states have tended to benefit less from deals with China because their companies are smaller and finances weaker.

“There is an approach by our government that is not friendly towards the European commission, but the EU has had problems in adopting a policy on China that would benefit all,” said Cavalieri.

 

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4 hours ago, highYield said:

Europeans interested in democracy?

Apologies for the change of tack.

Is the China OBOR decision a topic of conversation amongst your Swiss colleagues?

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Swiss to support Belt and Road push during president's China trip...

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-china/swiss-to-support-belt-and-road-push-during-presidents-china-trip-idUKKCN1RS0X8

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6 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I’m not questioning the UK’s need for aircraft carriers.

I’m questioning the need for the European Coal and Steel Community to have one.

Perhaps because the member states, including the UK, decided to have one. Why do you have a problem with a group of countries deciding to pool resources?

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