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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2000/nov/05/theobserver.observerbusiness4

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Vacuum cleaner king James Dyson, the high-profile inventor and businessman, is set to reignite the debate surrounding the euro after threatening to expand his operations in Malaysia, rather than at his British factory, if the UK does not join the single currency.

'It's suicidal for the UK not to join the euro. Why should we go on exporting at a loss? We're facing unfair competition,' he said.

Some patriot.  You've been taken in @GrizzlyDave

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5 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Hardly a surprise. If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain a figure that is probably slightly higher now given the general swing towards Remain since the poll. 

Apparently even McDonnal and Corbyn are "remainers at heart"

So what?

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2 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

First they came forth with aircraft carrier proposals, and I did not speak out, because I’m not interested in aircraft carrier proposals...

Do you speak out when Brown came up with his 2 aircraft carrier sized job creation scheme. A madcap idea that will hobble the Royal Navy for the next 30yrs.

As for the EU I think its another daft idea, but many times less daft than the UK having two of the things.  

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1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said:

So what?

You think threatening to take jobs overseas if the government doesn't do your bidding is patriotic?  No, I'm afraid it's the action of a plutocrat, to use a word that you don't seem to understand.

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Just now, Confusion of VIs said:

Do you speak out when Brown came up with his 2 aircraft carrier sized job creation scheme. A madcap idea that will hobble the Royal Navy for the next 30yrs.

As for the EU I think its another daft idea, but many times less daft than the UK having two of the things.  

I’m not questioning the UK’s need for aircraft carriers.

I’m questioning the need for the European Coal and Steel Community to have one.

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Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

I’m not questioning the UK’s need for aircraft carriers.

I’m questioning the need for the European Coal and Steel Community to have one.

Why are you not questioning the UK's need for them?  It's just a union of crowns, right?  Who voted for all that military stuff?

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3 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I don’t want the EU to break down.

I’m not hysterical about an EU aircraft carrier, of which remainers are in complete denial over.

I am however ultra cautious about a USofE; of which I want no part.

Who cares about a piddly little aircraft carrier with the cost divided by 27?

Gordon Brown built two in his constituency and placed the contracts in such a way that they could not be cancelled by a future government.

So, the UK has two, overpriced and over budget, aircraft carriers that are too short for conventional fighter aircraft to operate from and no money to buy F35s.

Anything EU can do UK can do better :lol:.

 

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59 minutes ago, steve99 said:

These billionaires know that a potential brexit UK may well have the extreme right wing of the tory party running the show and who's ambitions for the UK go no further than creating the worlds biggest tax haven.  They dont need trade or industry nor do they need public services or anything else that 90% of the population desperately need or want.  Their horizon is the border of the city of London and their country estates, no further.   Their future money making will be a mega extension of what the city of London does today, ie launder money.   This is why they never had any plans and agreements in place for future trading partners, all they need for their scheme is brexit. Billionaires like tax havens, hence the support for brexit.

If that happens though, the population's horizon will be building gallows and guillotines. 

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1 minute ago, Confusion of VIs said:

I could equally say so what to your last post. Did it have a point?

What’s the relevance about degree educated remainers?

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2 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Why are you not questioning the UK's need for them?  It's just a union of crowns, right?  Who voted for all that military stuff?

Because it’s a separate question - completely unrelated to brexit.

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8 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

What’s the relevance about degree educated remainers?

You would expect most MP's to be Remainers purely on that basis. You seem to think that is a problem. 

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4 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You would expect most MP's to be Remainers purely on that basis. You seem to think that is a problem. 

Only a problem in terms of delivering brexit ;/)

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3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Only a problem in terms of delivering brexit ;/)

Which comes back to my original question.  Why do you think the government isn't keen on Brexit, despite their loss of credibility over not delivering it?

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1 minute ago, thecrashingisles said:

Which comes back to my original question.  Why do you think the government isn't keen on Brexit, despite their loss of credibility over not delivering it?

Its the hardline Brexiteers that are preventing it from being delivered..

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8 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Which comes back to my original question.  Why do you think the government isn't keen on Brexit, despite their loss of credibility over not delivering it?

 Because they are remainers!

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Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

 Because they are remainers!

Why do you think educated people are less likely to believe in Brexit?  Do you think education makes people less patriotic? 

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8 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

Its the hardline Brexiteers that are preventing it from being delivered..

Maybe that’s because the hardline Brexiteers want a hardline brexit.

I think we’re on the cusp of a swing  to no deal tbh.

The Euro election will be brutal.

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44 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Hardly a surprise. If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain a figure that is probably slightly higher now given the general swing towards Remain since the poll. 

Apparently even McDonnal and Corbyn are "remainers at heart"

I wasn't aware of a differentiation between 'successful' & otherwise, degree educated people in Ashcroft's poll - do you have a link, please?

From this link https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/02/how-the-uk-voted-on-brexit-and-why-a-refresher/ it's only 57% for degree educated people. Is there a separation somewhere that shows the proportion for 'successful degree educated people' rises so much, to your 75%?

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A majority (57%) of those with a university degree voted to remain, as did 64% of those with a higher degree and more than four in five (81%) of those still in full time education. Among those whose formal education ended at secondary school or earlier, a large majority voted to leave.

 

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2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Maybe that’s because the hardline Brexiteers want a hardline brexit.

I think we’re on the cusp of a swing  to no deal tbh.

The Euro election will be brutal.

...and if, after a no deal, we end up with something worse than the WA, then so be it..

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Why do you think educated people are less likely to believe in Brexit?  Do you think education makes people less patriotic? 

So if you don’t have a degree you are not educated!

Careful, your prejudice is creeping out a little there.

Patriotism has nothing to do with education.

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1 minute ago, highYield said:

I wasn't aware of a differentiation between 'successful' & otherwise, degree educated people in Ashcroft's poll - do you have a link, please?

From this link https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/02/how-the-uk-voted-on-brexit-and-why-a-refresher/ it's only 57% for degree educated people. Is there a separation somewhere that shows the proportion for 'successful degree educated people' rises so much, to your 75%?

 

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted

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