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1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Project fear.

But they're in charge so that doesn't make sense.  If the downside was all project fear, they would go ahead with it and bathe in popularity.

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4 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Project fear.

Hmmm..It seems to be mainly the ERGers who dont want to leave...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/mar/29/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-withdrawal-agreement

People who voted against the deal at Meaningful Vote 2 but for it this time include: 
Lucy Allan, Richard Bacon, Crispin Blunt, Conor Burns, Rehman Chishti, Simon Clarke, Damian Collins, Rosie Cooper, Robert Courts, Richard Drax, Iain Duncan Smith, Charlie Elphicke, Michael Fabricant, Sir Michael Fallon, Jim Fitzpatrick, James Gray, Chris Green, Mark Harper, Gordon Henderson, Eddie Hughes, Boris Johnson, Gareth Johnson, Daniel Kawczynski, Pauline Latham, Andrew Lewer, Ian Liddell-Grainger, Jonathan Lord, Esther McVey, Anne Main, Sheryll Murray, Tom Pursglove, Dominic Raab, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Grant Shapps, Henry Smith, Royston Smith, Bob Stewart, Ross Thomson, Michael Tomlinson, Craig Tracey, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, Shailesh Vara, John Whittingdale

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1 minute ago, thecrashingisles said:

But they're in charge so that doesn't make sense.  If the downside was all project fear, they would go ahead with it and bathe in popularity.

It’s a remainer parliment.

the PM is a remainer.

the Home Secretary is a remainer

the chancellor is a remainer

the foreign secretary is a remainer

the speaker is a remainer

The most powerful politicians in the Uk are all remainers

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The majority of MPs are remainers.

 

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Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s a remainer parliment.

the PM is a remainer.

the Home Secretary is a remainer

the chancellor is a remainer

the foreign secretary is a remainer

the speaker is a remainer

The most powerful politicians in the Uk are all remainers

_

The majority of MPs are remainers.

 

You're not exactly disproving the premise that the EU is a voluntary union based on mutual interest.

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48 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

And then it says, "However, academic observers more usually discuss the EU in the terms of it being a federation."

The EU is unique.

Pathetic hair splitting. Hopeless.

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6 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

You're not exactly disproving the premise that the EU is a voluntary union based on mutual interest.

Of course. The EU is a plutocracy!

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Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

Of course. The EU is a plutocracy!

And how does that relate to the people you mentioned?  If the EU were a plutocracy, why would Jim Ratcliffe and James Dyson be against it?

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Just now, thecrashingisles said:

It's simply a fact that there isn't an exact precedent for the EU.

Avoiding the issues. Every construct like this is unique; there's no off the shelf forms for "Let's form a confederation". You nit pick others all the time and then hide behind miniscule variations as if this nullifies argument. Pathetic.

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

And how does that relate to the people you mentioned?  If the EU were a plutocracy, why would Jim Ratcliffe and James Dyson be against it?

Who knows?

Because they are patriots?

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3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Who knows?

Because they are patriots?

Their actions suggest that isn't their prime motivation.

UK's richest man moves to Monaco to 'save £4bn in tax'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/17/brexiter-jim-ratcliffe-uk-richest-man-plans-save-4bn-pounds-tax-monaco-move

Dyson to move company HQ to Singapore

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/dyson-to-move-company-hq-to-singapore

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Their actions suggest that isn't their prime motivation.

UK's richest man moves to Monaco to 'save £4bn in tax'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/17/brexiter-jim-ratcliffe-uk-richest-man-plans-save-4bn-pounds-tax-monaco-move

Dyson to move company HQ to Singapore

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/dyson-to-move-company-hq-to-singapore

I don’t really know much about Ratcliffe, but Sir James Dyson OM CBE FRS FREng has done a huge amount for the UK.

More than you have or ever will do for the UK...

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1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I don’t really know much about Ratcliffe, but Sir James Dyson OM CBE FRS FREng has done a huge amount for the UK.

More than you have or ever will do for the UK...

He campaigned to join the Euro too.

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Their actions suggest that isn't their prime motivation.

UK's richest man moves to Monaco to 'save £4bn in tax'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/17/brexiter-jim-ratcliffe-uk-richest-man-plans-save-4bn-pounds-tax-monaco-move

Dyson to move company HQ to Singapore

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/dyson-to-move-company-hq-to-singapore

These billionaires know that a potential brexit UK may well have the extreme right wing of the tory party running the show and who's ambitions for the UK go no further than creating the worlds biggest tax haven.  They dont need trade or industry nor do they need public services or anything else that 90% of the population desperately need or want.  Their horizon is the border of the city of London and their country estates, no further.   Their future money making will be a mega extension of what the city of London does today, ie launder money.   This is why they never had any plans and agreements in place for future trading partners, all they need for their scheme is brexit. Billionaires like tax havens, hence the support for brexit.

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1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said:

So what.

I would suggest that his extreme flexibility on this subject is a sign that he isn’t taking a principled stance but just promoting whatever suits his short-term interests at the time.

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1 minute ago, thecrashingisles said:

I would suggest that his extreme flexibility on this subject is a sign that he isn’t taking a principled stance but just promoting whatever suits his short-term interests at the time.

You know the man do you?

Do you not agree with your fellow remainers that people are entitled to change their mind?

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1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said:

You know the man do you?

Do you not agree with your fellow remainers that people are entitled to change their mind?

Like he changed his mind about the location of his HQ?

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27 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Like he changed his mind about the location of his HQ?

So what?

He’s done more for the UK than you will ever, ever do.

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6 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

You seem to be a bit of a fanboi.  Are you upset by his betrayal?

Dyson? Sure he deserves absolute credit for a tremendous amount of good he’s done in the UK.

What have you done?

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s a remainer parliment.

the PM is a remainer.

the Home Secretary is a remainer

the chancellor is a remainer

the foreign secretary is a remainer

the speaker is a remainer

The most powerful politicians in the Uk are all remainers

_

The majority of MPs are remainers.

 

Hardly a surprise. If you look at Ashcroft's polling data among successful degree educated people about 75% voted Remain a figure that is probably slightly higher now given the general swing towards Remain since the poll. 

Apparently even McDonnal and Corbyn are "remainers at heart"

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3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Dyson? Sure he deserves absolute credit for a tremendous amount of good he’s done in the UK.

What have you done?

He gets a big minus on the ledger for encouraging people like you to vote for self-harm.

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1 minute ago, thecrashingisles said:

He gets a big minus on the ledger for encouraging people like you to vote for self-harm.

Lol. He had zero influence on my vote.

But I do like him. Credit where credit is due. A proper patriot.

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