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5 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

You're misinterpreting my position.  The EU is unique compared to all your other examples because it was developed based on mutual interest, not domination.

No it isn't unique. Confederations come in all shapes and sizes and they don't usually last, particularly those since 1800.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation

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8 minutes ago, crouch said:

No it isn't unique. Confederations come in all shapes and sizes and they don't usually last, particularly those since 1800.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation

I said "compared to all your other examples", and your link says, "Due to its unique nature, and the political sensitivities surrounding it, there is no common or legal classification for the EU."

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8 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

I said "compared to all your other examples", and your link says, "Due to its unique nature, and the political sensitivities surrounding it, there is no common or legal classification for the EU."

Oh come off it! It says in the next sentence that it's a hybrid that bears elements of both confederal and federal systems but it's a good deal nearer confederal than federal.

Really!

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1 minute ago, crouch said:

Oh come off it! It says in the next sentence that it's a hybrid that bears elements of both confederal and federal systems but it's a good deal nearer confederal than federal.

Really!

And then it says, "However, academic observers more usually discuss the EU in the terms of it being a federation."

The EU is unique.

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I don’t want the EU to break down.

I’m not hysterical about an EU aircraft carrier, of which remainers are in complete denial over.

I am however ultra cautious about a USofE; of which I want no part.

LMAO Jesus wept you’ve been almost as messed up in the head over the aircraft carrier as Catalonia ! 

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4 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Project fear.

Hmmm..It seems to be mainly the ERGers who dont want to leave...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/mar/29/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-the-withdrawal-agreement

People who voted against the deal at Meaningful Vote 2 but for it this time include: 
Lucy Allan, Richard Bacon, Crispin Blunt, Conor Burns, Rehman Chishti, Simon Clarke, Damian Collins, Rosie Cooper, Robert Courts, Richard Drax, Iain Duncan Smith, Charlie Elphicke, Michael Fabricant, Sir Michael Fallon, Jim Fitzpatrick, James Gray, Chris Green, Mark Harper, Gordon Henderson, Eddie Hughes, Boris Johnson, Gareth Johnson, Daniel Kawczynski, Pauline Latham, Andrew Lewer, Ian Liddell-Grainger, Jonathan Lord, Esther McVey, Anne Main, Sheryll Murray, Tom Pursglove, Dominic Raab, Jacob Rees-Mogg, Grant Shapps, Henry Smith, Royston Smith, Bob Stewart, Ross Thomson, Michael Tomlinson, Craig Tracey, Anne-Marie Trevelyan, Shailesh Vara, John Whittingdale

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1 minute ago, thecrashingisles said:

But they're in charge so that doesn't make sense.  If the downside was all project fear, they would go ahead with it and bathe in popularity.

It’s a remainer parliment.

the PM is a remainer.

the Home Secretary is a remainer

the chancellor is a remainer

the foreign secretary is a remainer

the speaker is a remainer

The most powerful politicians in the Uk are all remainers

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The majority of MPs are remainers.

 

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Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

It’s a remainer parliment.

the PM is a remainer.

the Home Secretary is a remainer

the chancellor is a remainer

the foreign secretary is a remainer

the speaker is a remainer

The most powerful politicians in the Uk are all remainers

_

The majority of MPs are remainers.

 

You're not exactly disproving the premise that the EU is a voluntary union based on mutual interest.

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48 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

And then it says, "However, academic observers more usually discuss the EU in the terms of it being a federation."

The EU is unique.

Pathetic hair splitting. Hopeless.

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Just now, thecrashingisles said:

It's simply a fact that there isn't an exact precedent for the EU.

Avoiding the issues. Every construct like this is unique; there's no off the shelf forms for "Let's form a confederation". You nit pick others all the time and then hide behind miniscule variations as if this nullifies argument. Pathetic.

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

And how does that relate to the people you mentioned?  If the EU were a plutocracy, why would Jim Ratcliffe and James Dyson be against it?

Who knows?

Because they are patriots?

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3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Who knows?

Because they are patriots?

Their actions suggest that isn't their prime motivation.

UK's richest man moves to Monaco to 'save £4bn in tax'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/17/brexiter-jim-ratcliffe-uk-richest-man-plans-save-4bn-pounds-tax-monaco-move

Dyson to move company HQ to Singapore

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/dyson-to-move-company-hq-to-singapore

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3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Their actions suggest that isn't their prime motivation.

UK's richest man moves to Monaco to 'save £4bn in tax'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/17/brexiter-jim-ratcliffe-uk-richest-man-plans-save-4bn-pounds-tax-monaco-move

Dyson to move company HQ to Singapore

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jan/22/dyson-to-move-company-hq-to-singapore

I don’t really know much about Ratcliffe, but Sir James Dyson OM CBE FRS FREng has done a huge amount for the UK.

More than you have or ever will do for the UK...

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