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9 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

What about an aircraft carrier?

Surely it needs an aircraft carrier?

Do you mean an aircraft carrier with or without aircrafts?

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2 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

With all due respect... Varoufakis is saying that we need to be inside and 'fighting for it' to shape it in order to help save it. The other options are being inside and aquiecsing or leaving which lead to the same dystopia. 

Of course but I didn't mention Brexit; I offered a critique based on his proposals - his third option.

But anything that needs "saving" must be in a bad way. 

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Press release 14 May 2019

The ruling (ECLI:EU:C:2019:402)

In their ruling the judges of the CJEU, formerly known as the ECJ, said:-

“…in order to ensure the effectiveness of the rights provided for in the Working Time Directive and the Charter, the Member States must require employers to set up an objective, reliable and accessible system enabling the duration of time worked each day by each worker to be measured.”
Under this ruling, we believe that the UK government will have to pass a new law requiring all employers to monitor the times each day when their employees are at work, when they are on a lunch break, etc.
https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_may_eu_controls_us#comments
 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

A GE could strip out some of the impasse dead wood.

These turkeys are not going to vote for Christmas.    

22 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Do you only see things in financial terms?

Time and resources are what make change possible. 

Do you not deal in real world practicalities

11 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

What about an aircraft carrier?

Surely it needs an aircraft carrier?

We have two that we cannot actually defend/use by ourselves.

While we would prefer NATO to be the focus of military cooperation we are keen not to be left out of any EU(in reality European) military alliances.

Pretty clear there is a deal to be done here. 

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2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Time and resources are what make change possible. 

Do you not deal in real world practicalities

I think that means "yes." Or at any rate "don't understand it if I can't measure it."

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5 minutes ago, kzb said:

Press release 14 May 2019

The ruling (ECLI:EU:C:2019:402)

In their ruling the judges of the CJEU, formerly known as the ECJ, said:-

“…in order to ensure the effectiveness of the rights provided for in the Working Time Directive and the Charter, the Member States must require employers to set up an objective, reliable and accessible system enabling the duration of time worked each day by each worker to be measured.”
Under this ruling, we believe that the UK government will have to pass a new law requiring all employers to monitor the times each day when their employees are at work, when they are on a lunch break, etc.
https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_may_eu_controls_us#comments
 

 

 

Will big brother be monitoring when I take a dump?

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We are the REAL Brexit Party, insists Theresa May

In the Commons this afternoon, Mrs May told MPs: 'If people want to vote for a party that not only is a Brexit party but also is a party in government that can deliver Brexit, they should vote Conservative'.

Daily Mail

 

The Brexiters can choose between Brexit party and REAL Brexit Party that can deliver Brexit.

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1 hour ago, crouch said:

There is no common European identity and, as it pulls against nationalism, is unlikely to be one. Nationalism trumps, like it or not.

I refute it thus.

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3 minutes ago, zugzwang said:

I refute it thus.

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A hole in one! Calloway to you!

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48 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

What about an aircraft carrier?

Surely it needs an aircraft carrier?

Is there a name of a phobia for people who irrationally fear an aircraft carrier of their own army? If not let’s getting writing to Cambridge Dictionary. 

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28 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Will big brother be monitoring when I take a dump?

You can see it coming.  In some workplaces they will be required to clock out for toilet breaks.

Also how is this going to work with people "working at home" and working on the train?

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19 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

It would have to be a customs and regulatory union to eliminate checks.  Is that ok?

It would have to be whatever the contracting parties decide it to be.

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18 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

So if the Euro goes down, there will be no more customs union?

That has two possible answers. Yes or No.

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55 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Will big brother be monitoring when I take a dump?

The ancient monarchs did. "Big brother" was known as the "Groom of the Stool". 

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Pippa Crerar

Labour spokesman twice refuses to say whether Labour could abstain on withdrawal bill. “We’ve made pretty clear we won’t support it,” he says. Not the same as saying they will definitely oppose it though. (But I suspect they will).

Guardian

Labour are also leaking voters to new parties and would like to move on without supporting Brexit.

And Nigel Farage could go whistle.

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31 minutes ago, kzb said:

You can see it coming.  In some workplaces they will be required to clock out for toilet breaks.

Also how is this going to work with people "working at home" and working on the train?

You and Dave would have a great time together creating endless straw men.

NB under UK employment law you don't actually have a right to take a dump at work and can have every minute of your working day monitored.  

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2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You and Dave would have a great time together creating endless straw men.

NB under UK employment law you don't actually have a right to take a dump at work and can have every minute of your working day monitored.  

We don't actually know what the effects of this EU ruling will be.

The legal requirement to monitor might not work in our favour (the workers that is).  It could give employers the excuse they have been looking for.

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29 minutes ago, kzb said:

We don't actually know what the effects of this EU ruling will be.

So let's just make stuff up? 

29 minutes ago, kzb said:

The legal requirement to monitor might not work in our favour (the workers that is).  It could give employers the excuse they have been looking for.

The UK law gives you no protection, employers don't need any excuse to monitor you.

The EU law is about adding protection although your ridiculous anti EU bias probably stops you seeing it. 

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4 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Do you really regard that as an answer?

Barclay pulled Redwoods claims apart with more than a dozen examples of where he was plain wrong and in response he gives a bit of waffle about the fact that the WA is not and end point and attempts distraction by raising the £39bn required to settle our account. This despite the fact that the AG has told Parliament that  (after taking the best available legal advice) this is money we owe and will pay irrespective of whether we leave with a deal or not.

 

The WA is not an end point. Redwood says many more things may be given away, and he is right.

PS where is the AG's response? I want to hear what the organ grinder says, not the monkey.

Edited by onlooker

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1 minute ago, onlooker said:

The WA is not an end point. Redwood says many more things may be given away, and he is right.

He might be right he might be wrong but so what he is not offerring an end point, no one is.

None of this alters  the fact he was unable to defend the nonsense Barclay called him out for spouting.

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