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28 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Will big brother be monitoring when I take a dump?

You can see it coming.  In some workplaces they will be required to clock out for toilet breaks.

Also how is this going to work with people "working at home" and working on the train?

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19 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

It would have to be a customs and regulatory union to eliminate checks.  Is that ok?

It would have to be whatever the contracting parties decide it to be.

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Pippa Crerar

Labour spokesman twice refuses to say whether Labour could abstain on withdrawal bill. “We’ve made pretty clear we won’t support it,” he says. Not the same as saying they will definitely oppose it though. (But I suspect they will).

Guardian

Labour are also leaking voters to new parties and would like to move on without supporting Brexit.

And Nigel Farage could go whistle.

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31 minutes ago, kzb said:

You can see it coming.  In some workplaces they will be required to clock out for toilet breaks.

Also how is this going to work with people "working at home" and working on the train?

You and Dave would have a great time together creating endless straw men.

NB under UK employment law you don't actually have a right to take a dump at work and can have every minute of your working day monitored.  

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2 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

You and Dave would have a great time together creating endless straw men.

NB under UK employment law you don't actually have a right to take a dump at work and can have every minute of your working day monitored.  

We don't actually know what the effects of this EU ruling will be.

The legal requirement to monitor might not work in our favour (the workers that is).  It could give employers the excuse they have been looking for.

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29 minutes ago, kzb said:

We don't actually know what the effects of this EU ruling will be.

So let's just make stuff up? 

29 minutes ago, kzb said:

The legal requirement to monitor might not work in our favour (the workers that is).  It could give employers the excuse they have been looking for.

The UK law gives you no protection, employers don't need any excuse to monitor you.

The EU law is about adding protection although your ridiculous anti EU bias probably stops you seeing it. 

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4 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Do you really regard that as an answer?

Barclay pulled Redwoods claims apart with more than a dozen examples of where he was plain wrong and in response he gives a bit of waffle about the fact that the WA is not and end point and attempts distraction by raising the £39bn required to settle our account. This despite the fact that the AG has told Parliament that  (after taking the best available legal advice) this is money we owe and will pay irrespective of whether we leave with a deal or not.

 

The WA is not an end point. Redwood says many more things may be given away, and he is right.

PS where is the AG's response? I want to hear what the organ grinder says, not the monkey.

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1 minute ago, onlooker said:

The WA is not an end point. Redwood says many more things may be given away, and he is right.

He might be right he might be wrong but so what he is not offerring an end point, no one is.

None of this alters  the fact he was unable to defend the nonsense Barclay called him out for spouting.

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1 hour ago, crouch said:

It would have to be whatever the contracting parties decide it to be.

That's not a realistic answer.  How would France decide to trust regulations in Italy, Belgium or Spain if not by alignment?

1 hour ago, crouch said:

That has two possible answers. Yes or No.

What do you think the answer is?

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17 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

That's not a realistic answer.  How would France decide to trust regulations in Italy, Belgium or Spain if not by alignment?

It is the realistic answer. The agreement is what the contracting parties are happy with otherwise they won't agree. 

 

19 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

What do you think the answer is?

It would depend on the circumstances. There is no a priori answer.

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2 hours ago, crouch said:

Of course but I didn't mention Brexit; I offered a critique based on his proposals - his third option.

But anything that needs "saving" must be in a bad way. 

Everything worth having needs saving.

You cannot have failed to notice that Varoufakis issues a stark warning of the consequences of a disintegrated EU and the role he feels we could play in assisting it to a healthier position. He states quite clearly that it is the least worse of the options we have. For what it's worth, I agree with him. I am sure you will not find anyone who has read that article sympathetic to the EU, not me for sure, but I also recognise that throwing the system out alltogether (without some kind of a plan) is courting trouble. I have no sympathy with those that do.

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14 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

You're predicting the collapse of the EU, so if your answer isn't a clear "yes", I suggest you haven't thought it through.

Can you read? I said "if the EU goes down". If means if not when. I predict nothing.

And I am supposed to speculate that, if a certain condition is fulfilled - the demise of the EU - will they keep a customs union out of the wreckage? Are you serious? Really?

Can I "suggest" you are either idiot or troll.

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2 hours ago, kzb said:

You can see it coming.  In some workplaces they will be required to clock out for toilet breaks.

Also how is this going to work with people "working at home" and working on the train?

Maybe we need Gestapoo agents to monitor?

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1 minute ago, crouch said:

Can you read? I said "if the EU goes down". If means if not when. I predict nothing.

And I am supposed to speculate that, if a certain condition is fulfilled - the demise of the EU - will they keep a customs union out of the wreckage? Are you serious? Really?

Yes I can read.  You said, "If the Euro goes down it will take the EU with it."  I'm questioning your assertion and it turns out that you're not at all sure about it.

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7 hours ago, excon said:

Both sides are polarised, in entrenched positions and not listening to one other, the whole argument is pointless, let the ballot box decide.

Yes, the ballot box should decide in a Brexit end state referendum, EU vs EFTA vs WTO. Ideally this would be held after the withdrawal agreement is passed and the UK leaves the EU but it seems ERG is determined not to let that happen.

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15 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Yes I can read.  You said, "If the Euro goes down it will take the EU with it."  I'm questioning your assertion and it turns out that you're not at all sure about it.

I don't have to be sure about anything.

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5 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said:

Ok, can you at least clarify what you understand by "take the EU with it" if not the disintegration of the customs union and single market and abolition of the institutions?

Really these idiotic questions...

You are seriously asking me - seriously - to describe the dynamics of the disintegration of a bloc consisting of 27 countries? Seriously? Seriously?

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3 minutes ago, crouch said:

Really these idiotic questions...

You are seriously asking me - seriously - to describe the dynamics of the disintegration of a bloc consisting of 27 countries? Seriously? Seriously?

Yes, because if you can't describe a plausible scenario even at a high level then your prediction is baseless.

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