Dorkins Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, crouch said: Maybe not. But saying that does not mean that being part of the EU means that we gain anything ipso facto; it just means that we both have the same issues in common. But this is where the advantages of scale come in. A single market with common rules means that firms don't need to have 28 different versions of everything so costs are lower. If approximately the same trading arrangements will benefit all 28 they can negotiate trade deals externally as a single unit and get more favourable terms with 3rd parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, Chunketh said: Not at all, in fact I would expand it to include most of the world. We are in the grip of a populist surge that those with means thought they could use to their own ends. It's ugly, divisive and stupid. Unfortunately it is also entirely predictable given the levels of disparity and greed. No doubt about the populist surge and the efforts being expended to quell it. The comparison of the Breaking Point poster to a Nazi image, or policies/speeches to those Hitler made, or calling politicos/organisation Nazis etc. is just the frustration of those unable to counter the message/issues. Lastly, none of the legal challenges against the poster were successful and the EU was and is at Breaking Point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 hours ago, rollover said: 4,852,466 signatures Now, 5,021, 481 which is getting close to 33% of Remainers want to Revoke A.50 tick...tock... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bruce Banner Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, prozac said: Can you name someone, who you think would be better than her. Dominic Grieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dorkins said: But this is where the advantages of scale come in. A single market with common rules means that firms don't need to have 28 different versions of everything so costs are lower. If approximately the same trading arrangements will benefit all 28 they can negotiate trade deals externally as a single unit and get more favourable terms with 3rd parties. In the example I quoted it isn't a question of scale; it's a question of principle. The EU policy on bank resolution is IMV flawed. You may be right about common rules but those rules have themselves been drawn up to satisfy and harmonise rules between 28 countries. Are such rules likely to be more complex than rules drawn up by one? The answer is probably yes. There is a trade off between the advantage of scale and the complexity of the rules that result from negotiations within large blocs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said: Now, 5,021, 481 which is getting close to 33% of Remainers want to Revoke A.50 tick...tock... The percentages don't matter as it's only a petition, but over five million signatures will almost certainly be enough to influence some MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 hours ago, pig said: Nope, don’t you remember ? I pretty much gave up after trying to debate populism with you. I’m sure your ‘narratives’ will come out in the wash anyway. Jesus wept does me ridiculing xenophobia upset you so much ? I don’t know whether this is bonkers or deliberate ...oh wait have you just tricked me into carrying on with this sh1t lol? Oh dear, you simply failed to airbrush out the current definitions of populism and insert your own narrative and you are not alone in using that tactic. I'm not upset, I just challenge your narratives and inability to respond with anything but inanity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehead Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Kosmin said: The majority are giving UK postcodes in a distribution which is consistent with data (it would be suspicious if there were as many signatures from Leave areas as Remain, or if there are close to 100% of the population voting in any area). If people were voting from other countries would they know which fake postcodes to give? So just how many petition entries can I make per email, per postcode? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Sledgehead said: So just how many petition entries can I make per email, per postcode? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: The percentages don't matter as it's only a petition, but over five million signatures will almost certainly be enough to influence some MPs. Why? They already know how many people voted to stay in the official vote that Remain lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehead Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Hilarious as much pathetic protest. I seriously do wonder what the average mental age of a leaver is. Typical remainer superiority complex. D'ya know that one of you remainers actually had the front to suggest leavers considered themselves better than remainers (was that you Kosy?). Frightful nannying arrogance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, dances with sheeple said: Why? They already know how many people voted to stay in the official vote that Remain lost. That was then, this is now. I'd be amazed if some "sitting on the fence" MPs are not influenced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 hours ago, copydude said: May Gone By Monday? According to BBC and Sunday Times, 11 Cabinet Minsters want TM to step down in favour of caretaker PM. Reportedly, she was visited with similar request by the 1922 committee. Is she Sunday Roast? Here’s hoping. 3 hours ago, Riedquat said: They can't force her out for a while still and I can't see her going voluntarily. This is my fear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 According to Sky "sources" May is holding a meeting at Chequers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, Confusion of VIs said: They can hope all they like, the reality is that trade deals reflect the relative power of the two parties. As well as being inherently less powerful outside of the EU we will have put ourselves in a uniquely weak negotiating position by tearing up 40yrs of deals/agreements with nothing to replace them. The US deal will be a real eye opener, as the US view is that our trade surplus needs to be corrected by opening up our markets and committing to buy billions more of US agricultural goods. That same US view applies to the RoW and the EU may be a smaller fish soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 16 hours ago, dugsbody said: The reason is that the referendum was a travesty and the result will not be what the majority of the country wants. The reason leave voters wouldn't have been out is because most of you know your campaign is dishonest to the core and you're too ashamed to actually make a go of it on the streets. How about it? Go for it. Put "no deal brexit" on a ballot paper and lets see how far you get. There is no such thing as "No Deal", that was one of the most basic lies told by Remain, and it looks like they are still telling it? It goes back to what Leave stated all along, we are capable of making deals in the world without being under the heel of the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehead Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said: Farage overplayed his hand. Farage loves the 'insurgent' tag. The one voice in the wilderness, The 1 in 751. Look at that fraction: 1/750 The Brexity thing gathering supporters claim 1000. The losers vote thingy got 750,000 See that fraction there? Yep, 1/750 It's how he likes it. He's proved his willingness to carry on the fight: MEP salary in the bag. And he can bang on about how the majority want Brexit and that the EU is a bullying, manipulative, anti-democratic, closed club with added justification. Anyone who sees that as a failure doesn't really understand Farage sorts. Edited March 24, 2019 by Sledgehead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Who gives a damn what Nick Clegg says or does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sledgehead Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: Who gives a damn what Nick Clegg says or does? Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonsieurCopperCrutch Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sheeple Splinter said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: The percentages don't matter as it's only a petition, but over five million signatures will almost certainly be enough to influence some MPs. Do you mean influence them to revoke A.50 or just to remain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromage Frais Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jonb2 said: He's dangerous and a war-monger as well as being slimy https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/686474/Ken-Clarke-Tory-grandee-savages-Michael-Gove-leadership-bid-off-air-Sky-News-comments Murdoch's man. Serious question. Who would you pick? If you where a brexit tory .....game theorising your enemy so to speak. Edited March 24, 2019 by Fromage Frais Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dances with sheeple Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 16 hours ago, dugsbody said: Hi there. You replied with something that had nothing to do with what I said, because the brexit campaign is dishonest to the very core and that is all you have. Put "no deal brexit" on a ballot paper and see how far you get. You won't, because you're absolute shit scared. Everybody knows that the EU are going to be doing deals later, you don`t actually believe that they are not going to "deal" with an economy our size? After the May elections the "EU" is not going to be what it is today, this is the dying shouts of a dinosaur, and that scares Remainers more than anything.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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