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10 minutes ago, onlooker said:

That is different from being in the EU? How?

When Macron calls everyone else’s sons and daughters to fight in the EU Army you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

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32 minutes ago, copydude said:

It still sounds significant to me.

Taken as a bloc, the EU is the UK's largest trading partner. In 2017 the EUaccounted for 44% of UK exports and 53% imports. ... In 2017, the UK recorded an overall trade deficit with the EU of -£67 billion. A surplus of £28 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£95 billion on trade in goods.11 Jan 2019 

I can't imagine you're not aware that this might be due to how the UK has been part of the EU for many years. There is no "control subject" for comparison of a UK having been outside of the EU with its trade surplus or deficit in services and goods with the world at large.

If you aren't simply stating facts, I can't see an opinion other than "Change isn't good". That might just be me missing something.

1 hour ago, kzb said:

Most UK trade is with non-SM world.  And it is growing faster than with SM trade, which has more or less flatlined.

As you might know, 94% of growth is outside the EU (but apparently I'm a "Little Islander" as a Brexit Voter). I've never bought any EU or UK funds, something didn't feel right. Made money on Latin America, India and Russia. Oh dear I said Russia.

Living in the UK but investing some ISA allowance into a Russian fund will lose me any credibility with some here. Then again I'm not in cahoots with South America, India, Robotics or the alternative energy industry either. Simply, I put my money where I see potential.

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24 minutes ago, rollover said:

Are the DUP about to back May's Brexit deal in return for ANOTHER £1bn?

The Brexit dividends just keep giving.

I can't believe that would happen. Then again, I wouldn't have believed it would come around a third time.

That Lord Heseltine was on the box last night. He said it bringing it again, plus threats, was 'contemptible'.

But that's not all. Some other Spad typer on Sky said that if Mrs May could not get it through the house she should really go to the public. I nit you shot.

So, it may just come around a 4th time . . . 

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1 hour ago, kzb said:

On the other hand UK trade with the rest of the world has been growing faster than with the SM. 

So it can't be that problematic.

Thanks to the EU it's been growing

50% trade still with Eu, all about to be impacted by dipshits

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12 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

When Macron calls everyone else’s sons and daughters to fight in the EU Army you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

The Brexiter "un-elected bureaucrats" thing might have a hint of "little islander pleb mentality" in the perception of Remainers from Cheltenham.

"An Army under the command of the un-elected" is an interesting new angle.

"An Army under the command of the un-elected" said the uninformed Brexit pleb. Everyone knows an Army under the un-elected is a GOOD thing. Especially Tony Blair.

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25 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

When Macron calls everyone else’s sons and daughters to fight in the EU Army you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Was it not Labour and neoconservatives that called on NATO to join their adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Who has the EU invaded?

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2 minutes ago, yelims said:

Thanks to the EU it's been growing

50% trade still with Eu, all about to be impacted by dipshits 

I'll assume you aren't crediting outside EU growth to the EU, and that you are are saying the EU is an enabler for the UK to trade outside of the EU while having no comparison of the UK retrospectively outside of the EU, to draw from.

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3 minutes ago, yelims said:

Was it not Labour and neoconservatives that called on NATO to join their adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Who has the EU invaded?

Yes it was Labour, under Tony Blair the arch remainer and EU Army supporter.

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1 minute ago, Arpeggio said:

I'll assume you aren't crediting outside EU growth to the EU, and that you are are saying the EU is an enabler for the UK to trade outside of the EU while having no comparison of the UK retrospectively outside of the EU, to draw from.

All those trade deals were negotiated by EU for all its members, aside Irish non EU trade was growing at much faster rate than UK

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Just now, yelims said:

All those trade deals were negotiated by EU for all its members.

Yes, that's what I was implying you were getting at.

1 minute ago, yelims said:

aside Irish non EU trade was growing at much faster rate than UK 

It is good to know there is growth outside of the EU (94% of it), whether done through the EU or not.

As I have previously mentioned, Ireland payed 25% of its GDP to the EU bailout while Germany paid 1.5% of it's GDP.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/why-do-the-irish-still-owe-more-than-the-greeks-1.3001026

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20 minutes ago, yelims said:

Was it not Labour and neoconservatives that called on NATO to join their adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Who has the EU invaded?

Afghanistan was NATO - and the only time Article 5 has been used. Due to the attacks on 911.

Iraq 2, wasn’t a NATO mission. It was a coalition of the willing which included NATO members participating.

 

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23 minutes ago, yelims said:

 

Who has the EU invaded?

Almost the entire Eastern Europe, with NATO in tow. 

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18 minutes ago, yelims said:

All those trade deals were negotiated by EU for all its members, aside Irish non EU trade was growing at much faster rate than UK

Irish double sandwich distorts. Let's see how the Irish react when it is closed by the EU, as it will be at some point.

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2 minutes ago, Itssimple said:

Irish double sandwich distorts. Let's see how the Irish react when it is closed by the EU, as it will be at some point.

Erm all those schemes were closed 4 years ago and yet the country booms, with UK shooting itself in ass we get to be gateway to Europe

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8 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Afghanistan was NATO - and the only time Article 5 has been used. Due to the attacks on 911.

Iraq 2, wasn’t a NATO mission. It was a coalition of the willing which included NATO members participating.

 

So UK ended up in wars due to its agreements that have nothing to do with EU, Ireland didn't

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16 minutes ago, Arpeggio said:

Yes, that's what I was implying you were getting at.

It is good to know there is growth outside of the EU (94% of it), whether done through the EU or not.

As I have previously mentioned, Ireland payed 25% of its GDP to the EU bailout while Germany paid 1.5% of it's GDP.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/why-do-the-irish-still-owe-more-than-the-greeks-1.3001026

We bailed out our banks in same fashion as UK done,  now these banks are paying back billions. Between the banks and Nama we stand to make more than was spent, something I am myself surprised at.

As added bonus the real house price crash we had in Ireland made me an owner of my home and two other properties without any debt. Cha ching.

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19 minutes ago, yelims said:

So UK ended up in wars due to its agreements that have nothing to do with EU, Ireland didn't

That’s because 1) Ireland isn’t in NATO and 2) Ireland doesn’t really have much of a military.

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1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said:

When Macron calls everyone else’s sons and daughters to fight in the EU Army you don’t have to worry about it anymore.

No body believes that. You really are talking focking shit.

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9 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

That’s because 1) Ireland isn’t in NATO and 2) Ireland doesn’t really have much of a military.

It's called being neutral, same as those Swiss you admire

Eitherway has nothing to do with EU and your imagined EU army, from our point of view over here there is a European army, it's called NATO and UK is still a member.

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The Irish border question seems to have gone a bit quieter of late, and not sure how the last bout ended, but i thought this was mildly relevant from one of my youtube subscriptions.

 

oh, it doesn't seem to have embedded at the time stamp. The border gets mentioned at 6:41 and then is actually crossed at 8:01. He also mentions having crossed the border (which I assume is the bridge) at  about 10:30 and 14:10. - I appreciate these are pedestrian/cycle ways.

He crosses a road border at 24:50. It seems like cars entering Switzerland have paused, while the ones entering Germany just slow down a bit.

 

Obviously it's a fairly quiet road, and no doubt there are major routes that commercial traffic is expected/required to use. But I assume 90% of the apparently thousands of irish border crossings are quiet roads. This by the way, is by Basel (Switzerland's 3rd city).

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17 minutes ago, yelims said:

It's called being neutral, same as those Swiss you admire

Eitherway has nothing to do with EU and your imagined EU army, from our point of view over here there is a European army, it's called NATO and UK is still a member.

The Swiss have a magnificent Army and Airforce.

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If NATO is the European Army why does the EU also want one?

 

 

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1 hour ago, copydude said:

I can't believe that would happen. Then again, I wouldn't have believed it would come around a third time.

That Lord Heseltine was on the box last night. He said it bringing it again, plus threats, was 'contemptible'.

But that's not all. Some other Spad typer on Sky said that if Mrs May could not get it through the house she should really go to the public. I nit you shot.

So, it may just come around a 4th time . . . 

Money talks.

If May pays DUP for 10 votes 1bn, How much does she needs to pay ERG for about 80 votes?

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44 minutes ago, yelims said:

Erm all those schemes were closed 4 years ago and yet the country booms, with UK shooting itself in ass we get to be gateway to 

53 minutes ago, yelims said:

Erm all those schemes were closed 4 years ago and yet the country booms, with UK shooting itself in ass we get to be gateway to Europe

No they have not ended.

They are due to end by 2020 for existing companies.

And your claim about irish growth was misleading, it was tax schemes in the main.

Let's see if the Irish try another one.

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