frederico Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shamus said: So a General Election or a new Referendum first? Votes please Err, in the meantime article 50 deadline passes, the Tories will not allow an election unless they either have to or are sure they can win, they got that wrong the last time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Beans Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, frederico said: Well Labour will vote against it to try and get an election, the DUP do not appear to accept it at all, and a few hardline tory mps may vote against, so no bill. But labour won't get an election so as usual our selfish politicians are going to end up with something they don't want and the people of the country don't want. All because the eu wouldn't be a little bit flexible on the Irish boarder. They are restricted what they can offer the UK, by their existing treaties & WTO. Outside the single market - here's CETA. Inside? EEA. The UK wont get a permanent deal which is the same level of access as Norway, but with the same responsibilities as Canada. Third country is third country. I reckon no deal still - until it has been ratified by the EU parliament & UK parliament. Edited November 13, 2018 by Dave Beans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Social Justice League Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) Most of parliament don't want any kind of Brexit. If they vote for May's plan, then we might as well just stay in. Hilarious nonsense brought upon us by total retards in the Tory party. Edited November 13, 2018 by Social Justice League Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shamus Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: Most of parlament don't want any kind of Brexit. If they vote for May's plan, then we might as well just stay in. Hilarious nonsense brought upon us by total retards in the Tory party. +1 Sums up the fiasco nicely: https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2018/11/13/explosive-a-plain-mans-guide-to-brexit-reality-the-eight-brexit-murderers-named/ Edited November 13, 2018 by Shamus Added link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rollover Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, thehowler said: As long as there's a clear way to get out of the backstop, I think it'll pass. The hard core can stamp their feet as much as they want, but if they want Brexit they've got nothing else to offer that fixes NI in the eyes of the EU/27. I suppose it would help if Barnier announced later this week that this is the firm and final offer and the EU has no interest in extending Art 50... The deal is not ideal, but it is the best Brexit deal May could negotiate under current circumstances. Now is the time for Tories to go behind her and support her Brexit deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frederico Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave Beans said: They are restricted what they can offer the UK, by their existing treaties & WTO. Outside the single market - here's CETA. Inside? EEA. The UK wont get a permanent deal which is the same level of access as Norway, but with the same responsibilities as Canada. Third country is third country. I reckon no deal still. Logic says no deal, but I can't believe they are going to let that happen, I expect some sort of staying in fudge . I would love to see a no deal crash out, just for the lols . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Beans Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, frederico said: Logic says no deal, but I can't believe they are going to let that happen, I expect some sort of staying in fudge . I would love to see a no deal crash out, just for the lols . ...and then the mass unemployment and the mass closing of industry.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frederico Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Dave Beans said: ...and then the mass unemployment and the mass closing of industry.. It'll be just like the old days, may be house prices will properly crash. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rollover Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, frederico said: Logic says no deal, but I can't believe they are going to let that happen, I expect some sort of staying in fudge . I would love to see a no deal crash out, just for the lols . This option is very unlikely and has no support in parliament. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Social Justice League Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) It won't be a "stay in fudge", it will be a "peoples vote", imo. May's deal is even worse then staying in and everyone with half a brain can see it in flashing lights. Hilarious nonsense. Edited November 13, 2018 by Social Justice League Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Beans Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Social Justice League said: It won't be a "stay in fudge", it will be a "peoples vote", imo. May's deal is even worse then staying in and everyone with half a brain ca see it in flashing lights. Hilarious nonsense. No time, and no will from May or Corbyn for one.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frederico Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, rollover said: This option is very unlikely and has no support in parliament. Parliament, sorry mps will support what ever they think will get them a knighthood. Or at least a step on the ladder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehowler Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Social Justice League said: It won't be a "stay in fudge", it will be a "peoples vote", imo. May's deal is even worse then staying in and everyone with half a brain ca see it in flashing lights. Hilarious nonsense. Have you read the deal? Would you prefer a good deal or a bad deal? Or do you just not care about the deal in any way, shape or form? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Social Justice League Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 We'll see soon, but I think Brexit was "never meant" to happen. Not long now until the truth appears. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rollover Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Social Justice League said: It won't be a "stay in fudge", it will be a "peoples vote", imo. May's deal is even worse then staying in and everyone with half a brain ca see it in flashing lights. Hilarious nonsense. But they public promise is to deliver Brexit. And there is a Brexit deal with the EU now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehowler Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Dave Beans said: No time, and no will from May or Corbyn for one.. Aye, no majority for a 2nd ref in parliament. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Social Justice League Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 There will be no deal. The UK won;t be leaving the EU, for the time being anyway. Let's see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frederico Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, rollover said: But they public promise is to deliver Brexit. And there is a Brexit deal with the EU now. That was before she called her snap election and lost a few mps, she now needs the DUP and they're not happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Social Justice League Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 I think the deal will be voted down by the house. A no deal won't be "allowed"..... The Uk will stay in the EU, either by vote or in principle. Boris is right and everyone knows it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Beans Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, frederico said: That was before she called her snap election and lost a few mps, she now needs the DUP and they're not happy. I don't think Labour will vote for it either.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frederico Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Social Justice League said: We'll see soon, but I think Brexit was "never meant" to happen. Not long now until the truth appears. I don't think it will happen, there'll be some sort of government of national unity that puts the whole thing of. Edited November 13, 2018 by frederico Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smash Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 May's Brexit deal: "whats the point in doing that" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rollover Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Social Justice League said: There will be no deal. The UK won;t be leaving the EU, for the time being anyway. Let's see. Don't agree with you on this one direction. The Brexit deal will keep Tory bit longer in government. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Social Justice League Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 BBC1 now - The DUP are not happy and tbh who can blame them. This isn't fooling anyone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thehowler Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, rollover said: But they public promise is to deliver Brexit. And there is a Brexit deal with the EU now. Wise words from rollover tonight. The EU/27 have put something on the table. It might be generous, it might be the best we can hope for. Pressure coming down tomorrow...MPs will be saying no to close ties with Europe if they reject it out of hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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