Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[Gigantic Purple Slug]

2 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

I haven’t seen any of this on this forum - or on twitter?

 

Just now, GrizzlyDave said:

Never been asked my thoughts on Argentina and Venezuela, and I haven’t seen it been asked to others?

I’m more than happy to share my views on the topic.

That's because the idea that what happened in Greece isn't of some relevance to whether a country should (or should not be) a member of the EU is frankly idiotic, irrespective of whose fault it was.

An appeal to emotion can be used as an attempt to close off any argument from either side. No right thinking person will support it though.

[GrizzlyDave]

14 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Before coming to my conclusion that all this talk of EE immigration having a massive impact on wages/unemployment was just Leaver nonsense, I spent a couple of hours looking at the available evidence. I am surprised that you did not do something similar before coming to your strongly held but incorrect view.

You will find reference to many from a simple google search "effect of immigration on wages" 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-eu-worker-shortage-uk-pay-rise-a8043221.html

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-21/u-k-wages-pick-up-with-fewer-foreign-nationals-in-the-workforce

[WageWar]

16 hours ago, highYield said:

Farage is probably the most accomplished politician in the past decade or so - and he's done it by not being like the other politicians. 

Nigel Farage is at least clever enough to have stopped trying to persuade people that Russia is the good guy. He knows the limits of what he can get away with.

[simvastatin]

12 hours ago, WageWar said:

The wealthy Americans behind Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/28/us-groups-raise-millions-to-support-rightwing-uk-thinktanks?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

https://www.atlasnetwork.org/

[simvastatin]

11 minutes ago, WageWar said:

Nigel Farage is at least clever enough to have stopped trying to persuade people that Russia is the good guy. He knows the limits of what he can get away with.

Strange, i actually like Farage  compared to the rest of he Brexiters he seems more sane

[Confusion of VIs]

27 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-news-eu-worker-shortage-uk-pay-rise-a8043221.html

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-21/u-k-wages-pick-up-with-fewer-foreign-nationals-in-the-workforce

Headlines in search of a story. 

The text does not support the headline. Real wages continue to fall would be a more accurate headline

 

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35 minutes ago, prozac said:

https://www.atlasnetwork.org/

So whataboutism anyone but Russia? Putinbots and useful idiots need to change song. 

The cyberwarfare tactics are plainly detectable once one realises that whataboutism is their goto tool

[GrizzlyDave]

18 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Headlines in search of a story. 

The text does not support the headline. Real wages continue to fall would be a more accurate headline

 

You know full well businesses have reported the need to raise wages due to less eu migrants available to fill them.

[Confusion of VIs]

45 minutes ago, highYield said:

? 'massive' straw man. I'm arguing that immigration has a significant negative effect on local wages.

Come on, you must be able to find at least one peer reviewed academic study that supports your illogical opinion.

Why bother, you clearly have not intention of believing anything that contradicts with your simplistic/unsupported view.

NB An LSE paper which came to the same conclusion as all the other papers was discussed upstream.  

     

[Mapatasy]

8 hours ago, Peter Hun said:

The Greeks committed fraud to get that money from the foreign banks, money that they lavished upon themselves in a massive increase in GDP - which was lost when their fraud was uncovered.

The idea that Greece was a victim is a joke.

All Greeks?

Genuine question:  Why didn't they get much of a telling off and why was it brushed under the carpet so quickly? Was it because - courtesy of Goldman - Germany, Italy and Spain were using the same mechanism at exactly the same time?

What's your opinion on why [bankrupted] Greece - one of the smallest countries in the EU became the biggest purchaser of arms during early 'bailout' negotiations with Germany? Arms supplied solely by German and French Arms dealers.

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Mapatasy

[Confusion of VIs]

28 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

You know full well businesses have reported the need to raise wages due to less eu migrants available to fill them.

Yes I have seen the reports but as the dial has not moved on real wage growth this must be selective reporting. 

 

[GrizzlyDave]

1 hour ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Yes I have seen the reports but as the dial has not moved on real wage growth this must be selective reporting. 

 

or the effect hasn’t yet appeared in the data.

[Confusion of VIs]

22 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

or the effect hasn’t yet appeared in the data.

Maybe, but don't forget the +2% loss in GDP since the vote will have had an opposing effect. 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Maybe, but don't forget the +2% loss in GDP since the vote will have had an opposing effect. 

 

 

The "loss" that's based on projections based on a finger in the air 2 years ago ? 

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15 hours ago, Sheeple Splinter said:

That's odd:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/27/how-has-the-brexit-vote-affected-the-uk-economy-september-verdict

Confusion. 

You do this a lot. Just completely ignore anything that doesn't fit with your narrative.

Trade deficit best in over 20 years. What you think about that ? 

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25 minutes ago, Confusion of VIs said:

Maybe, but don't forget the +2% loss in GDP since the vote will have had an opposing effect. 

 

 

Loss of GDP some might say makes the UK a less attractive place to come to look for work and others might see that as a blessing

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3 minutes ago, inbruges said:

Loss of GDP some might say makes the UK a less attractive place to come to look for work and others might see that as a blessing

GDP figures = CoVI interest PLUS 100000000%

Trade deficit figured = CoVI interest MINUS 100000000% 

Very strange 

[Confusion of VIs]

That's true although we would have to get a lot poorer before it reduced numbers enough to be noticable on the street, as there are plenty of migrants from much poorer countries to take up the slack caused by reduced EU migration.

 

Edited September 29, 2018 by Confusion of VIs

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You have been online within the last 5 minutes so why no reply ? 

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Just now, Confusion of VIs said:

That's true although we would have to get a lot poorer before it reduced numbers enough to be noticable on the street,

 

as there are plenty of migrants from much poorer countries to take up the slack caused by reduced EU migration.

 

The point was about the trade deficit....

[Confusion of VIs]

45 minutes ago, ccc said:

GDP figures = CoVI interest PLUS 100000000%

Trade deficit figured = CoVI interest MINUS 100000000% 

Very strange 

Not to anyone who understands the effect of devaluation.

The real question is why after such a large devaluation the trade gap has narrowed so little.

[Confusion of VIs]

2 minutes ago, ccc said:

The point was about the trade deficit....

Finger trouble, I was answering inbruges point. 

[Confusion of VIs]

5 minutes ago, ccc said:

You have been online within the last 5 minutes so why no reply ? 

Happy now?

[jonb2]

8 hours ago, inbruges said:

How silly, nobody wants to loose their job, nobody wants life to become more difficult, sometimes these things are so big and important that you maybe risk what you personally  perceive as being the MOST important. Storming the beaches in WW2 and running up all that debt and with the UK economically in tatters and not to mention the huge threat to life, was more important than worrying about the economy.

Oh, but they did

https://qz.com/1043300/yougov-brexit-poll-leave-voters-are-willing-to-damage-the-uk-economy-and-lose-their-jobs-for-the-sake-of-exiting-the-eu/

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/six-in-10-brexit-voters-say-economic-damage-is-price-worth-paying-for-quitting-eu-a3601476.html

http://uk.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-leave-voters-happy-for-relatives-to-lose-jobs-over-brexit-2017-8

I suggest you get up to speed on Brexit and what leavers said

[jonb2]

8 hours ago, inbruges said:

For years/decades/centuries people have had to stomach a political party that won at a general election that they did not want, more often than not on a minority vote win. Brexit actually won with a majority of the UK vote, why are you wanting things to be so different with this vote

Brexit, like a puppy, is not just for Christmas

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09/25/what-if-britain-rejoined-the-eu-breaking-up-may-be-less-hard-than-making-up/

An election is for 5 years. Then you can elect a different set of idiots. Brexit is for decades.

I suggest you get up to speed with Brexit