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Surely after the Martin Selmayers comments the WA is toxic.

You would have to be mad to sign it and today I see apparently a civil service source is saying it's a lock in.

It's going to be default or GE methinks.  Unless some last minute backstop changes are done.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/european-commission-hits-claim-trying-punish-uk-brexit-130113961.html?guccounter=1

https://plus.pnp.de/ueberregional/bayern_niederbayern/3164310_Es-wird-nicht-nachverhandelt.html

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13 minutes ago, Fromage Frais said:

Surely after the Martin Selmayers comments the WA is toxic.

We need the WA to facilitate talks towards various outcomes.

A GE likely takes us back to WA but with worse terms.

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Regards any extension, people keep talking about the elections across Europe in May but the Parliament quits much earlier...mid April.

They have to pass it with a majority - even though they're all up for re-election only weeks later.

 

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1 hour ago, Fromage Frais said:

Surely after the Martin Selmayers comments the WA is toxic.

No, not really. 

We signed for membership, we signed legally binding, European treaties, so on. You can't get out of a simple mobile phone contract without penalties. And anyone who thought the EU would be 'fair' - very subjective word - wasn't paying attention during the Cyprus and Greek negotiations.

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1 hour ago, copydude said:

No, not really. 

We signed for membership, we signed legally binding, European treaties, so on. You can't get out of a simple mobile phone contract without penalties. And anyone who thought the EU would be 'fair' - very subjective word - wasn't paying attention during the Cyprus and Greek negotiations.

Well even if we leave with no deal I still see us paying our outstanding promises as part of good faith whilst negotiating.  

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Fromage Frais said:

 

Well even if we leave with no deal I still see us paying our outstanding promises as part of good faith whilst negotiating.  

 

What would we be negotiating?

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5 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

What would we be negotiating?

Would be interesting to see.

The WA would be gone and then I guess we would still have the issue of what we wanted to do.

You would hope that would focus the mind

At present all they know is they dont like the WA

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10 minutes ago, Fromage Frais said:

guess we would still have the issue of what we wanted to do.

The issue would have gone away as far as the EU is concerned, what we want to do can be ignored.

Maybe it would focus UK politicians minds, but I doubt it and it wouldnt make any difference, no countries are going to be in any rush to agree anything with the UK.

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Even Diane Abbott admits LEAVE would WIN again in second Brexit referendum

LABOUR’S shadow home secretary Diane Abbott has admitted that in the event of there being a second Brexit referendum Britain would still vote to leave the European Union. 

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26 minutes ago, prozac said:

Even Diane Abbott admits LEAVE would WIN again in second Brexit referendum

LABOUR’S shadow home secretary Diane Abbott has admitted that in the event of there being a second Brexit referendum Britain would still vote to leave the European Union. 

Great, so be it.

Let's hols a 3 choice referendum (May, Leave, Remain) and find out for sure.

If in doubt, ask.

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27 minutes ago, prozac said:

LABOUR’S shadow home secretary Diane Abbott has admitted

Firstly; so what? The main reason to have a referendum is to guide the idiot politicians on HOW to leave.

Secondly, how does she know what the electorate want or will vote. As we know, opinions or surveys are irrelevant, the only measure to determine what voters want is a referendum. Anything else than a full referendum is unacceptable to Brexiteers.

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16 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:
23 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said:

Great, so be it.

Let's hols a 3 choice referendum (May, Leave, Remain) and find out for sure.

If in doubt, ask.

Give it a rest Hairy.

Dave, whilst I agree that this thread is sockie central... am  I Hairy too?

FWIW I thought Hairy (or its sockmeister) made a HUGE contribution to this thread. ;)

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1 hour ago, prozac said:

Even Diane Abbott admits LEAVE would WIN again in second Brexit referendum

LABOUR’S shadow home secretary Diane Abbott has admitted that in the event of there being a second Brexit referendum Britain would still vote to leave the European Union. 

And when do you last recall Dear Diane being right about anything?

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36 minutes ago, ZeroSumGame said:

Dave, whilst I agree that this thread is sockie central... am  I Hairy too?

FWIW I thought Hairy (or its sockmeister) made a HUGE contribution to this thread. ;)

No. If Hairy is the terminator you are the T1000.

Aye, I’d agree to a point, but when he hit the booze and started hurling homophobic and racist BS it was no longer value added. I wonder if he’s giving dry January a bash?

I miss CCC too - a very honest chap - who shared his views and clearly cared.

Edited by GrizzlyDave

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10 hours ago, thehowler said:

To be blunt(er)...since when was this about Parliament? Why has leave/remain become a debate about renewed Parliamentary sovereignty?

Because it suits the rebels. 

I don't know about you, Exiled Canadian, but I was never in any doubt that a majority of Parliament thought Brexit was a terrible idea.

We are now at the point where May's compromise deal cannot pass because Parliament are resisting it. They will either get their way and force a 2nd ref/revoke etc (assuming they ditch May's deal) or they will be changed via a GE.

I still believe the former is riskier than the latter.

You sound like you can’t distinguish between a 2nd ref and a vote to remain.

 

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7 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

No. If Hairy is the terminator you are the T1000.

Aye, I’d agree to a point, but when he hit the booze and started hurling homophobic and racist BS it was no longer value added. I wonder if he’s giving dry January a bash?

I miss CCC too - a very honest chap - who shared his views and clearly cared.

You must be talking about a different CCC, either that or you suffer from a stunning lack of judgement and objectivity. The only thing he was honest about was his xenophobia and islamophobia...lack of respect for women was one of his specials too .....once he'been shamefully outed that is.

Still...he's a brexiteer...and it seems that he can enjoy the support of his fellow brexiteers...no matter what. Talk about rose tinted....pppft.

Edited by IMHAL

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13 hours ago, GrizzlyDave said:

Maybe parliment should just completely ignore the people and decide what ever the feck they want, making it up as they gone along?

In the UK the parliament is supreme 

That's what you get for not having a constitution. In Ireland every referendum is about amendments to constitution, no advisory referenda. Oh and having a referendum commission helps, as we now know various leave campaigns not only lied openly but committed crimes in Uk 

 

The problem is your political system has flaws but instead of fixing that all energy is wasted on Brexit 

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9 hours ago, Mikhail Liebenstein said:

 

And when do you last recall Dear Diane being right about anything?

I voted for Diane Abbott 

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5 hours ago, pig said:

You sound like you can’t distinguish between a 2nd ref and a vote to remain.

 

I don't see much point in having a 2nd ref to make the leave case stronger. I see the ref we had as decisive.

I'd have more time for a 2nd ref that includes May's deal on the ticket if our elected representative weren't about to vote against said deal and condemn it as disastrous! It would place voters in direct opposition to the majority of the House.

I also don't think MPs would give us a WTO option.

So yes, though I can distinguish between the two, I feel talk of a 2nd ref is largely from people who wish to remain.

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13 hours ago, copydude said:

No, not really. 

We signed for membership, we signed legally binding, European treaties, so on. You can't get out of a simple mobile phone contract without penalties. And anyone who thought the EU would be 'fair' - very subjective word - wasn't paying attention during the Cyprus and Greek negotiations.

Yep, I remember well the great ideologies that forced the Eastern Europeans to not run to a better life or the North Koreans having to endure staying in a country they wanted to escape, so strong the threat remaining families were killed if the managed it. People must really want to remain strong to a forced belief.

I don't think anyone would be upset at the EU doing what was best for itself and it's people, I think people start to struggle though when policies are made for revenge or bitterness.

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6 hours ago, pig said:

You sound like you can’t distinguish between a 2nd ref and a vote to remain.

 

Surely referendums are best conducted with cool heads, and calm circumstances. The febrile atmosphere in the run up to leaving is anything but this. Look at the wild swing of voter behaviour with the Greece bailout...

2 hours ago, IMHAL said:

You must be talking about a different CCC, either that or you suffer from a stunning lack of judgement and objectivity. The only thing he was honest about was his xenophobia and islamophobia...lack of respect for women was one of his specials too .....once he'been shamefully outed that is.

Still...he's a brexiteer...and it seems that he can enjoy the support of his fellow brexiteers...no matter what. Talk about rose tinted....pppft.

Reflect on what I wrote. I didn't condone it, but I respect him for being honest about sharing his views and being a person of conviction .

1 hour ago, prozac said:

I voted for Diane Abbott 

Good man. I like her too.

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10 hours ago, ZeroSumGame said:

Dave, whilst I agree that this thread is sockie central... am  I Hairy too?

FWIW I thought Hairy (or its sockmeister) made a HUGE contribution to this thread. ;)

 I am Hairy and so is my wife

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1 hour ago, thehowler said:

I don't see much point in having a 2nd ref to make the leave case stronger. I see the ref we had as decisive.

I'd have more time for a 2nd ref that includes May's deal on the ticket if our elected representative weren't about to vote against said deal and condemn it as disastrous! It would place voters in direct opposition to the majority of the House.

I also don't think MPs would give us a WTO option.

So yes, though I can distinguish between the two, I feel talk of a 2nd ref is largely from people who wish to remain.

That’s an excellent logic sequence.

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