Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[Confusion of VIs]

1 hour ago, coypondboy said:

BREXIT has allowed us to take back control of our borders and just in time as Belarus will allow all refeugees in Turkey to travel through it to eastern EU countries so Lithuania is building a wall.  Good job we live on an island expect a huge surge if this becomes similar to the million march to germany.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57754193

Many will want to come to the UK, we will need more patrol boats to taxi them across the Chanel. 

[rollover]

State pension amount is changing for Brits next year because of Brexit

State pension is set to change for many Brits next year, and it's all down to Brexit.

The amount people get paid will be altered, depending on where you live.

The UK Government recently announced plans to change the rules on how State Pension is calculated if you move abroad because the UK has now left the EU.

There have previously been calls to scrap or modify the triple lock ruling in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, amid fears that it could become too expensive to maintain.

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[Staffsknot]

7 hours ago, coypondboy said:

BREXIT has allowed us to take back control of our borders and just in time as Belarus will allow all refeugees in Turkey to travel through it to eastern EU countries so Lithuania is building a wall.  Good job we live on an island expect a huge surge if this becomes similar to the million march to germany.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57754193

Lithuania was building security infrastructure on the border because of Russia mate, NATO even helped contribute. They got a bit worried what with intelligence officials getting kidnapped from within the country and various escalations.

Baltic nations increasingly shoring up borders and defences as wary of Russia.

But sure its immigrants

[yelims]

8 hours ago, coypondboy said:

BREXIT has allowed us to take back control of our borders and just in time as Belarus will allow all refeugees in Turkey to travel through it to eastern EU countries so Lithuania is building a wall.  Good job we live on an island expect a huge surge if this becomes similar to the million march to germany.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57754193

I guess you missed the news where Boris is refusing to implement the best oven ready deal ever and put in measures to police border in Irish Sea? Or for that matter inspect incoming traffic at ports like Dover.

 

 

[yelims]

8 hours ago, MonsieurCopperCrutch said:

Exactly why I transfered my GBP into BTC. 

Yeh this mix of brexit + pound + Tories seems like a perfect storm which will result in stagflation and is already resulting in crazier than everyone else inflation in house prices (I’ve link higher up about how Tories will just pour more oil in fire)

 

I think we will see UK be the outlier in OECD and not for the better, at some stage all the chickens will come home to roost 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/02/1970s-stagflation-2008-debt-crisis-global-economy

[Trump Invective]

4 hours ago, yelims said:

Yeh this mix of brexit + pound + Tories seems like a perfect storm which will result in stagflation and is already resulting in crazier than everyone else inflation in house prices (I’ve link higher up about how Tories will just pour more oil in fire)

 

I think we will see UK be the outlier in OECD and not for the better, at some stage all the chickens will come home to roost 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jul/02/1970s-stagflation-2008-debt-crisis-global-economy

The author of that article isn't f***ing around. Better believe it, the car is skidding and it doesn't look like there is any appetite to swerve in any direction, just plough on into the wall.

[coypondboy]

6 hours ago, Staffsknot said:

Lithuania was building security infrastructure on the border because of Russia mate, NATO even helped contribute. They got a bit worried what with intelligence officials getting kidnapped from within the country and various escalations.

Baltic nations increasingly shoring up borders and defences as wary of Russia.

But sure its immigrants

We have the SBS in Poole where I live tehy recently stopped a hijacking of a tanker off southampton so rubber dinghies no problem just take out the people smugglers by sniping them they are usually the ones by the engine at the back steering the boat.

[Confusion of VIs]

27 minutes ago, coypondboy said:

We have the SBS in Poole where I live tehy recently stopped a hijacking of a tanker off southampton so rubber dinghies no problem just take out the people smugglers by sniping them they are usually the ones by the engine at the back steering the boat.

Two pretty obvious problems with your proposal

1 The people smugglers don't even get in the boats

2 Anyone shooting at unarmed dinghies would end up in jail along with whoever ordered the shooting all the way up the command chain. 

NB The Home Office have just accepted that arriving by dingy is a legal means of entry

Migrants who steer dinghies across English Channel to claim asylum will no longer be prosecuted

 

  

Edited July 8, 2021 by Confusion of VIs

[yelims]

48 minutes ago, coypondboy said:

We have the SBS in Poole where I live tehy recently stopped a hijacking of a tanker off southampton so rubber dinghies no problem just take out the people smugglers by sniping them they are usually the ones by the engine at the back steering the boat.

Shooting at people in boats? Yaaar there matey, shiver me timbers! Seriously that’s piracy 🏴‍☠️ of the real kind, and murder.

 

anyways most come by trucks, which are not checked as Brexiteers thrown the border wide open 

[Staffsknot]

2 hours ago, coypondboy said:

We have the SBS in Poole where I live tehy recently stopped a hijacking of a tanker off southampton so rubber dinghies no problem just take out the people smugglers by sniping them they are usually the ones by the engine at the back steering the boat.

That would be an illegal order. I can quote you the regs if you want but basically anyone following it is a numpty and goes to jail.

Problem 2 the other non-numpties are now duty bound to prevent civilian casualties by any and all mrans which invariably means possible blue on blue.

Problem no3 the hijackers nominate a person to get free passage to steer the boat. He / she is a refugee

Problem no4 firing from a helicopter or boat onto a moving boat packed with civilians is a recipe for accidentally killing or injuring others / cause panic and drownings / the bullet won't neatly stop in just what you want a 7.62 will probably drill anyone behind them too.

Problem no5 if the others aren't enough the firing on an unarmed refugee boat by state forces at sea would be in violation of maritime and international law and we would be sanctioned / possibly people going to The Hague if we don't jail

Problem no6 this isn't the fantasy world of a Bravo Two Zero wet dream and civilians are best not coming up with novel ways to shaft squaddies ta.

Apart from telling us how you'd execute a text book cluster****** of My Lai Massacre intent bravo.

These are the bits that don't come with a copy of Call Of Duty, its called military law and I needed to know about it to keep my soldiers from doing time if it goes pear-shaped.

But as the SBS are in your town go tell them, just not the ones in the pub with a tattoo of SBS and responding to 'action' txts as those are the Walters and they are probably window cleaners. The SBS lads won't be obvious and the real ones will tell you to get stuffed.

The SBS were called to a suspected hijack event. They used non-lethal force. Tells how much they like to kill unarmed civilians doesn't it.

If this sounds sarcastic and condescending that is the army for you.

[kzb]

On 07/07/2021 at 10:18, yelims said:

The euro has remained stable vs dollar in last few decades within 1% difference of where started

I've factchecked this.  Since July 2011 the €/$ rate has varied between 1.04 and 1.45.   1.45/1.04 = 1.39

In that same period the £/$ rate has varied between 1.15 and 1.72, and 1.72/1.15 = 1.50

It's just not true that the Euro has remained stable against the US dollar, it has varied by at least 39%. 

And this is just in ten years, I've not looked any further back than that.

It's true the pound has varied more, but not much more.   

[kzb]

11 hours ago, rollover said:

State pension amount is changing for Brits next year because of Brexit

State pension is set to change for many Brits next year, and it's all down to Brexit.

The amount people get paid will be altered, depending on where you live.

The UK Government recently announced plans to change the rules on how State Pension is calculated if you move abroad because the UK has now left the EU.

There have previously been calls to scrap or modify the triple lock ruling in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic, amid fears that it could become too expensive to maintain.

manchestereveningnews

Crikey how long have people been able to pay NICs in Aus, NZ and Canada and be credited with them here?  That should've been stopped decades ago.  Unless there was some kind of pay back scheme where those countries forwarded the NI contributions along with the person of course.

[yelims]

51 minutes ago, kzb said:

I've factchecked this.  Since July 2011 the €/$ rate has varied between 1.04 and 1.45.   1.45/1.04 = 1.39

In that same period the £/$ rate has varied between 1.15 and 1.72, and 1.72/1.15 = 1.50

It's just not true that the Euro has remained stable against the US dollar, it has varied by at least 39%. 

And this is just in ten years, I've not looked any further back than that.

It's true the pound has varied more, but not much more.   

Go all way back to start of euro which Brexiteers claim is a mistake 

it’s within 1% of dollar while pound fallen what seems to be permanently against all major currencies, most of it occurring under Tories

its the pound that’s a clear failure, you have literally been made poorer when measured in the two largest reserve currencies in the world 

what’s worse is that devalued pound didn’t lead to growth in exports, so may as well rename it to British Ruble

Edited July 8, 2021 by yelims

[Lucky Larry]

If the New World Order , One World Govt is a reality project then I would imagine the UK would be in it up to their necks .

The reasoning is to create 5 large political Unions (N. America /S. America/Africa/ Greater Europe and Asia Pacific) before merging all into one easy to manage package . Is Brexit really designed to give Britain freedom or is it the ultimate warning of what happens to those who think they can break away . Cameron , May and Johnson were all pro Euro before the Brexit vote and despite what Johnson now claims his history of lies means he cannot be trusted to tell the truth . The ultimate aim of the game is control and the way things are headed they will be buying up all the property , all the land from bankrupt farmers and install a pay as you go health system that produces massive profits. The constant bickering about EU membership has been a thorn in the side of the Globalists for decades , after all this is over and we are begging to go back to Brussels will anyone ever entertain the idea of leaving again (from any EU nation) . I have no idea if this is what is going on but am now at a stage where I have to question everything politicians and the media tell me.

[Peter Hun]

2 hours ago, kzb said:

Unless there was some kind of pay back scheme where those countries forwarded the NI contributions along with the person of course.

Certainly did have one with the EU and for Healthcare usage.

[Peter Hun]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalization_agreements

In fact large parts of the world have agreements and dual taxation treaties.

[kzb]

56 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

Certainly did have one with the EU and for Healthcare usage.

That was pay back for health care, which is still the case for UK/EU despite Brexit.  That's a different thing, or at least I think it is.

[kzb]

47 minutes ago, Peter Hun said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalization_agreements

In fact large parts of the world have agreements and dual taxation treaties.

The way it was written it wasn't about dual taxation.  It seemed to be, if you'd paid social security in the CANZ countries it counted as NI contribution record if you came to Britain to live, and you can claim the UK old age pension (although why anyone would want to do that I really wouldn't know).

[kzb]

1 hour ago, Lucky Larry said:

If the New World Order , One World Govt is a reality project then I would imagine the UK would be in it up to their necks .

The reasoning is to create 5 large political Unions (N. America /S. America/Africa/ Greater Europe and Asia Pacific) before merging all into one easy to manage package . Is Brexit really designed to give Britain freedom or is it the ultimate warning of what happens to those who think they can break away . Cameron , May and Johnson were all pro Euro before the Brexit vote and despite what Johnson now claims his history of lies means he cannot be trusted to tell the truth . The ultimate aim of the game is control and the way things are headed they will be buying up all the property , all the land from bankrupt farmers and install a pay as you go health system that produces massive profits. The constant bickering about EU membership has been a thorn in the side of the Globalists for decades , after all this is over and we are begging to go back to Brussels will anyone ever entertain the idea of leaving again (from any EU nation) . I have no idea if this is what is going on but am now at a stage where I have to question everything politicians and the media tell me.

That would mean that Brexit was already in the script.  The trouble with these type of theories is you don't know which was the actual reptilian plan.  Is Brexit a diversion from the route which will slow them down or was it pre-ordained?

Anyhow, if you read Nineteen Eighty-Four, which is practically the manual they are following, Britain is not in Eurasia, it is in Oceania.  By leaving the EU and teaming up with USA and CANZUK, we are well on the way to creating Oceania:

Oceania (ideology: Ingsoc, known in Oldspeak as English Socialism), whose core territories are "the Americas, the Atlantic Islands, including the British Isles, Australasia and the southern portion of Africa."

Eurasia (ideology: Neo-Bolshevism), whose core territories are "the whole of the northern part of the European and Asiatic landmass from Portugal to the Bering Strait."

Eastasia (ideology: Obliteration of the Self, also known as Death-Worship), whose core territories are "China and the countries south to it, the Japanese islands, and a large but fluctuating portion of Manchuria, Mongolia and Tibet."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#Political_geography

[kzb]

4 hours ago, yelims said:

Go all way back to start of euro which Brexiteers claim is a mistake 

OK the Euro now just happens to be very close to the USD rate on the day of its creation (c. 1.17 on 01 Jan 1999).  But it has been on a ride on the way, varying between 0.86 to 1.54, almost a factor of two variation.

I can also see that the Pound was extremely close to its current rate (c. 1.4) on 01-Jan-2001, but again it has been on a ride.

You're just picking two dates off the plot where they have similar exchange rates, it's just a coincidence the Euro happens to be close to 1.17 now.  If you'd posted in June 2001 it would've been 0.86.

 

 

[yelims]

25 minutes ago, kzb said:

OK the Euro now just happens to be very close to the USD rate on the day of its creation (c. 1.17 on 01 Jan 1999).  But it has been on a ride on the way, varying between 0.86 to 1.54, almost a factor of two variation.

I can also see that the Pound was extremely close to its current rate (c. 1.4) on 01-Jan-2001, but again it has been on a ride.

You're just picking two dates off the plot where they have similar exchange rates, it's just a coincidence the Euro happens to be close to 1.17 now.  If you'd posted in June 2001 it would've been 0.86.

 

 

The pound has cratered and stayed there with no boost to exports 

Brexiteers predicted euro and Eu to fall apart yet its uk that is on brink with Brexiteers doing everything to push it over edge for reasons only known to them and their rouble paying employers

[yelims]

 

Let the bodies pile up https://eand.co/how-britain-became-the-first-country-in-the-world-to-surrender-to-covid-e0d64c0a5d3f

[dugsbody]

Boris the gambler. Will it pay off for him?

[yelims]

12 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Boris the gambler. Will it pay off for him?

The scary part is that being double vaccinated with AZ Brexit vaccine only gives you 60% protection against this variant 

this will mean deaths and worse than that it will have people lose faith in vaccinations, something that can be seen in Russia now who are also in a wave and where 2/3rds population is antivax 

 

I predicted another wave 2 months back in this thread, but didn’t realise it hit so quick 

[slawek]

11 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

Boris the gambler. Will it pay off for him?

I am not sure what is the upside of this gamble. Is it just a political gain by claiming "we free again" for a few weeks?

It is likely the this wave will create another variant, for which the vaccines won't work very well (they are already less effective against Delta).  There will be not enough time to vaccine people with updated vaccines before the autumn/winter wave.