longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, erat_forte said: Right, but you didn't answer my question, which will happen first? Collapse or fold? Fold then collapse, Britain is in charge and always will be. They are not swimming here for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 30 minutes ago, longgone said: Yes eu is going to collapse they cannot even slow the demand in eu expats making their own way to blighty now. Those guys know we are the best country hence they risk their lives. I feel honoured to be British EU expats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 48 minutes ago, longgone said: Fold then collapse, Britain is in charge and always will be. They are not swimming here for fun. Satire, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Gigantic Purple Slug said: Well you thought wrong. See here for a discussion on how the North Sea is divided up, plus a map of the exclusive economic zones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, NobodyInParticular said: Satire, yes? Why are eu expats swimming here if it was not for the case that we are going to be far better off as an independent ? Or give me another valid reason why they are risking their lives to come here if we are stuffed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 hours ago, thehowler said: But there's an independent agency overseer for the LPF conditions in CETA, I think...CofVIs has commented that it still gives the EU de facto power of veto...but that might be a route to explore for the UK/EU impasse on LPF. Won't be enough for radical no dealers as it will be seen as 'rule-taking'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, longgone said: Why are eu expats swimming here if it was not for the case that we are going to be far better off as an independent ? Are you serious? French, German, etc., citizens are not swimming here as far as I know. Do you have a citation? Up until the end of the transition period they can take the Channel Tunnel and live here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Re: Japanese deal. It does not confer any additional benefits to the UK over the EU in the end as the Japan-EU deal requires that Japan offers exactly the same terms to the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said: Are you serious? French, German, etc., citizens are not swimming here as far as I know. Do you have a citation? Up until the end of the transition period they can take the Channel Tunnel and live here. No the guys In boats they are Europeans too as they are not illegal remember. They must have smelt the coffee already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 minute ago, longgone said: No the guys In boats they are Europeans too as they are not illegal remember. They must have smelt the coffee already. Why don't they take Easyjet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Why don't they take Easyjet? Indeed why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodyInParticular Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, longgone said: No the guys In boats they are Europeans too as they are not illegal remember. No, they can be legitimate refugees and not European. You don't immediately become European the moment you walk over a border any more than someone moving here from Switzerland becomes a British citizen the moment they land at Heathrow. But then I expect you know that and are stirring the pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said: Won't be enough for radical no dealers as it will be seen as 'rule-taking'. That's the only goat path out of the canyon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 39 minutes ago, NobodyInParticular said: Re: Japanese deal. It does not confer any additional benefits to the UK over the EU in the end as the Japan-EU deal requires that Japan offers exactly the same terms to the EU. Is that really the case - including geographic indicators and movement of people and their families to facilitate business? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, thehowler said: Is that really the case - including geographic indicators and movement of people and their families to facilitate business? Brexiters are ok with rich people moving around the world. It is poor people they don't like. They should know their place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, dugsbody said: Brexiters are ok with rich people moving around the world. It is poor people they don't like. They should know their place. Well, from what NobodyinParticular is saying the EU will insist on the same movement rights. My point was more about exemptions to MFN rules, I want to know if there's any real substance to the UK govt claims that their Japan deal goes further than current EU-Japan deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, thehowler said: Well, from what NobodyinParticular is saying the EU will insist on the same movement rights. My point was more about exemptions to MFN rules, I want to know if there's any real substance to the UK govt claims that their Japan deal goes further than current EU-Japan deal. It almost certainly does on some mostly irrelevant details which is just as misleading as an outright lie. I don't know why you'd believe anything coming out of the ministry of truth. The government is packaged with proven liars and their method of operation is to keep lying to idiots who will keep electing them. Some of those idiots realise the government is lying but don't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 1 hour ago, NobodyInParticular said: No, they can be legitimate refugees and not European. You don't immediately become European the moment you walk over a border any more than someone moving here from Switzerland becomes a British citizen the moment they land at Heathrow. But then I expect you know that and are stirring the pot. I'm just confused why they would want to be arriving in a country that is deliberately putting itself into a disadvantaged position allegedly. After all these people are not poor at all they pay tens of thousands to smugglers to get here. Why though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drat Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 34 minutes ago, longgone said: I'm just confused why they would want to be arriving in a country that is deliberately putting itself into a disadvantaged position allegedly. After all these people are not poor at all they pay tens of thousands to smugglers to get here. Why though. Is this a very clever attempt to flush out the professional foreign posters who don't get the British sense of humour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Drat said: Is this a very clever attempt to flush out the professional foreign posters who don't get the British sense of humour? Like Alf Garnett? It's a little dated for most I expect... not regarded as the bastion of Brit humour....much like longgone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Drat said: Is this a very clever attempt to flush out the professional foreign posters who don't get the British sense of humour? I don't think it was being clever after 5000 pages on here it's just a simple genuine question really. I mean who would board titanic after it hit an iceberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, longgone said: I don't think it was being clever after 5000 pages on here it's just a simple genuine question really. I mean who would board titanic after it hit an iceberg. Do you think that before setting out, they made a detailed geopolitical assessment and decided that the UK was their best bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Do you think that before setting out, they made a detailed geopolitical assessment and decided that the UK was their best bet? Do you think if they did they should have soaked up the surroundings more on their epic journey through Europe and was not influenced at all ? Or was Britain go to destination always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, longgone said: Do you think if they did they should have soaked up the surroundings more on their epic journey through Europe and was not influenced at all ? Or was Britain go to destination always. I think the vast majority of people trying to get to Britain always intended to get to Britain for their own reasons. I don't think they entered Europe and then thought, "It's not much cop here. Let's go to Blighty." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longgone Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Just now, thecrashingisles said: I think the vast majority of people trying to get to Britain always intended to get to Britain for their own reasons. I don't think they entered Europe and then thought, "It's not much cop here. Let's go to Blighty." What a polarized view, brits pay thousands to visit europe and these guys did not even notice it at all ? is the eu so forgettable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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