DiggerUK Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, excon said: The only reason we are having this discussion at all is that remain can not accept that they lost. Democracy can only function if the losers accept the result. Once a side in a democratic process decides they won't accept a result that is the end of democracy... 58 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: But the method of exit was not clearly expressed, and anyway, many have changed their minds in the light of what they've learned in the intervening years. The worst part of democracy is that sometimes you don't get what you vote for. Live with it. Most everybody knows more about what the EU is now than on the day of the referendum, it isn't a valid point to claim that only those who voted leave have changed their minds or regret their decision. The method of Brexit was always going to have to be negotiated and agreed by the council and then be agreed in the European Parliament, that was known. As to me, I spoilt my referendum ballot, wish I hadn't, but that's what I did. I just want to shove it to an undemocratic supranational state, and a liberal elite who want to remain..._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, allfiredup said: I question your use of the word 'we' If you want a more contemporary example we were beaten in Iraq and had to be bailed out by the Americans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Not really. The referendum secured a major beach head, fort, and supply line. Yes the peasants are revolting, but this is England, we don't lose wars. BJs "war talk" has really got the Brexiteers troops fired up.... Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Its the English that are are fighting for independence, the same could be said about the 3 nations, and rightly so. Where they are going wrong is thinking the EU is their answer to independence. What has the EU got to do with their independence ? Maybe if the English (boomers?) simply left the UK everybody would be happy lol. London can remain - HS4 and 5 straight to Edinburgh and Swansea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: BJs "war talk" has really got the Brexiteers troops fired up.... Lol. No. We have a PM speaking for the English at last, or so it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, pig said: Lol - of course the problem is the Welsh and the EU. Silly me constantly forgetting how easy it is to feck up the world when you know how out-source the blame The problem lies elsewhere, or there isn't a problem? I just like the irony of complaining about the English moving in and influencing things whilst wanting to remain part of an organisation that encourages the same thing on a larger scale, and how it would be so terrible to end that. Edited September 23, 2019 by Riedquat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, pig said: What has the EU got to do with their independence ? Maybe if the English (boomers?) simply left the UK everybody would be happy lol. London can remain - HS4 and 5 straight to Edinburgh and Swansea It was the only other option when they got a chance to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Its the English that are are fighting for independence, the same could be said about the 3 nations, and rightly so. Where they are going wrong is thinking the EU is their answer to independence. "Fighting" eh however much he tries to mimic the great man, BJ is no Churchill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: "Fighting" eh however much he tries to mimic the great man, BJ is no Churchill. Hey you bought up 'war'. Forgot already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, allfiredup said: No. We have a PM speaking for the English at last, or so it seems. First stop Europe, next the United Kingdom. Engerland, Engerland, rah, rah, rah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Quote Minister denies Brexit is to blame for Thomas Cook collapse The tour operator had warned in a statement back in May that there was ‘little doubt that the Brexit process has led many UK customers to delay their holiday plans for the summer’. Asked whether Thomas Cook was ‘in any way a victim’ of the fact that the pound’s value had plunged since the referendum, Matt Hancock added: ‘No, I don’t think there’s any Brexit connection.’ Metro Thomas Cook is just early victim of Brexit. Brexit fooling around and crumbling economy is definitely a big factor behind the collapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Riedquat said: The problem lies elsewhere, or there isn't a problem? I just like the irony of complaining about the English moving in and influencing things whilst wanting to remain part of an organisation that encourages the same thing on a larger scale, and how it would be so terrible to end that. Of course silly me for forgetting that every problem must be the fault of the English and Brexit. Er...so you're now arguing to dismantle the UK lol? And who was 'complaining about the English moving in' ? Yes silly you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: First stop Europe, next the United Kingdom. Engerland, Engerland, rah, rah, rah... I understand your envy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, allfiredup said: Hey you bought up 'war'. Forgot already? A reference to BJs war mongering with Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zugzwang Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Bruce Banner said: "Fighting" eh however much he tries to mimic the great man, BJ is no Churchill. Oh, I don't know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allfiredup Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, rollover said: Thomas Cook is just early victim of Brexit. Brexit fooling around and crumbling economy is definitely a big factor behind the collapse. Oh and its nothing to do with the completely different way people arrange their holidays now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, allfiredup said: I understand your envy. Pity more like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, zugzwang said: Oh, I don't know... These days, I always associate that dog with Rolf Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, allfiredup said: No. We have a PM speaking for the English at last, or so it seems. Is he? Are you sure? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, pig said: Er...so you're now arguing to dismantle the UK lol? And who was 'complaining about the English moving in' ? Yes silly you I'd certainly favour a more federal UK, with more self-determination for Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. Who was going on about the English moving in to Wales and saying that's what resulted in a pro-Leave vote from Wales? Wasn't me who brought that up. Edited September 23, 2019 by Riedquat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Oh and its nothing to do with the completely different way people arrange their holidays now... Did you choked the excuse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: "Fighting" eh however much he tries to mimic the great man, BJ is no Churchill. Churchill was independently wealthy. Also, he had fought for his country. Boris needs to whore himself out to the highest bidder https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/channel-four-tories-at-war-crispin-odey-1-6283173 But he did keep some money back for tea, crumpets and tarts https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49794693 So here we are, Leavers voting for even more of the same corruption and greed that pervades British politics. Good work. Oh, and don't forget the destruction of the UK too. I am preparing the ""I told you so" merchandise catalogue. Mugs, T-shirts, full size flags and ringtones to be used as constant reminders for the next few decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 12 minutes ago, allfiredup said: No. We have a PM speaking for the English at last, or so it seems. No we don’t. Boris thinks we’d lose our identity without Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 23 minutes ago, allfiredup said: Not really. The referendum secured a major beach head, fort, and supply line. Yes the peasants are revolting, but this is England, we don't lose wars. I think the die is cast. Even if we stay in the EU due to finagling there's two ways this will play out: we'll leave after another few years and it will be for good or: the EU itself will change so that we are a "fit" with it. The UK has never been a "fit" with the EU as currently constituted; we were lied to on an industrial scale prior to our accession in 1973 and we would never have joined if the truth had come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, crouch said: I think the die is cast. Even if we stay in the EU due to finagling there's two ways this will play out: we'll leave after another few years and it will be for good or: the EU itself will change so that we are a "fit" with it. The UK has never been a "fit" with the EU as currently constituted; we were lied to on an industrial scale prior to our accession in 1973 and we would never have joined if the truth had come out. The UK will break up. Job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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