GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Moving to a place with lower wages? Pay is relative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, jonb2 said: 2 incomes - kids at local school - friends, family, support systems nearby, finding new place to live. It's a big ask. Not worth it unless you are footloose and fancy free. More JOs for Leeds then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, GrizzlyDave said: Pay is relative. Next time you book a holiday, try asking for a discount because you don't live in London and see how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Next time you book a holiday, try asking for a discount because you don't live in London and see how you get on. Where is cheaper to live, London or Leeds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: More JOs for Leeds then. I am not sure broadcasting is a good future-proof trade any more. Although Channel 4 is doing OK at the moment, many aren't. Like everything it's getting tougher. Cats rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said: Where is cheaper to live, London or Leeds? Plymouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said: Where is cheaper to live, London or Leeds? It depends entirely on your lifestyle. It could easily be more expensive for a given person to relocate from London to Leeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trump Invective Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, copydude said: I think we know how that would go. GE versus Farage and Conservatives get 26 seats. Everything is pointing to what I suggested - labour today trying to prevent the possibility of no deal (even though no deal wouldn't happen anyway). Juncker stating again today that the withdrawal agreement is not up for negotiation (he knows UK wouldn't allow no deal). Johnson, in a few months time, will have to say "with a heavy heart, with much regret, we have to have another referendum". There is no other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, jonb2 said: Plymouth. We can send Michael Gove’a department there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: It depends entirely on your lifestyle. It could easily be more expensive for a given person to relocate from London to Leeds. The south’s loss is the north’s gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, GrizzlyDave said: We can send Michael Gove’a department there! A little further I hope. Send the whole fecking lot, all 650 of them, to the seas beyond Land's End and cast them adrift with an arrow to the White House for navigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, GrizzlyDave said: The south’s loss is the north’s gain. Where are you from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Where are you from? North of the wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonb2 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said: The south’s loss is the north’s gain. The problem is that your Brexit government has different plans - obviously. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-brexit-funding-regions-tory-leadership-contest-structural-funds-a8952186.html And there I was thinking there was a huge pot of gold waiting for us after Brexit. I must try and believe harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, GrizzlyDave said: North of the wall. Then why do you call Leeds "the north"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: Then why do you call Leeds "the north"? Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Damn, Labour seeking to pass a new law to prevent a Tory PM proroguing Parliament to force a no deal Brexit on August 31st. I was hoping that McVey, or another loopy prime ministerial hopeful, would get elected and try just that before being stopped in their tracks by Parliament thus forcing the revocation of A50 and a general election. Labour shooting themselves in the foot again , they should've kept their powder dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, GrizzlyDave said: Yes I do think it would be value adding to Leeds. A bunch of whole new businesses can be started to support the fresh money and customer base. Some of these emloyees May leave and set up tgeir own businesses, but now in Leeds rather than London; so that’s more jobs and more opportunity. How the feck do places like Rotherham get better unless we make strategic investment in them. That’s people, businesses, money, government. The whole package. By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winkie Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 26 minutes ago, thecrashingisles said: It depends entirely on your lifestyle. It could easily be more expensive for a given person to relocate from London to Leeds. Agree, apart from cost of housing London is so much cheaper to live day to day than very many other places in the UK......stamp duty could be the only major outlay if sideways moving.....London better value for council tax same bands, water rates, food, eating out if you pick your places carefully....transport and utilities both a better price and better quality service......more competition for those living in London.....more people to share the costs with, much of the entertainment is available for free including a free freedom pass from age 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Damn, Labour seeking to pass a new law to prevent a Tory PM proroguing Parliament to force a no deal Brexit on August 31st. I was hoping that McVey, or another loopy prime ministerial hopeful, would get elected and try just that before being stopped in their tracks by Parliament thus forcing the revocation of A50 and a general election. Labour shooting themselves in the foot again , they should've kept their powder dry. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Riedquat said: By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London. There is s risk of ‘colonisation’ but done well moves like this can have a positives ripple effect for the whole area. If the impact is too big for Leeds they could set up a C4 satellite office for senior management and Human Resources Down the road in Bolton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugsbody Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Riedquat said: By supporting them getting better themselves rather than moving people up. A load of new jobs does nothing meaningful for a place unless they're available for the people who live there - they're the ones who need them, they don't need lots of incomers driving up house prices. Opportunities are needed for the people already living there. They don't need turning into another overcrowded London. So you have a problem with crowded London, but you also don't want to fix this by moving jobs to other cities. So the crowds should stay in London. Sport, you are a true conundrum. I think you just like howling at the moon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crouch Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, thecrashingisles said: You could try thinking for yourself, and with your previous answer you seemed to agree with my argument. You can't look at UK institutions in isolation and therefore conclude that the courts have more power - as a member of the EU, the EU institutions themselves become part of our system of government. I do think for myself and need no advice from you on that. I can - and do - look at things any way I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pig Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 hours ago, crouch said: The "decades of misery" is a giant presumption. Most unlikely. To begin with there is not much "might" about it. By common consent the Euro is unsustainable without a fiscal and banking union and you will not get that because if you get that you are getting very close to a federal state. Germany is already on the hook for Euros 1 tn under the Target 2 regime and most consider this uncollectable. The average German will not be best pleased when he is acquainted with this fact. But the main reason is the monumental irresponsibility of even starting such a project, knowing full well that it is fundamentally flawed, taking a huge risk with many peoples livelihoods. Sorry I meant going by the Ivan Rogers video you referenced. I'm just agog you've rationalised to yourself that a lost decade(s) is OK compared to it 'all being a disaster' I mean when did that bombshell become a Leave vote winner lol ? Ditto with the funny myopia of "monumental irresponsibility of ...taking a huge risk with many peoples livelihoods". If the Eurozone fails, of what benefit is Brexit to us ? Why would the 'not much "might" about' the UK breaking up be worth it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzlyDave Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, crouch said: I do think for myself and need no advice from you on that. I can - and do - look at things any way I want. Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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