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2 minutes ago, Dave Beans said:

There has to be a withdrawal agreement for EFTA first... First we have to agree on a withdrawal agreement, then we have to put our application into EFTA to state that we want to join.  We may also have to rejoin the EEA, as it seems that we are also leaving that on the 29th March.  Then we will need to negotiate specific UK protocols for the EEA agreement.  So as a guestimate - 3 years or so.

That Government document you posted up thread was actually pretty good. I mean it would have helped enormously if I’d just sat down to read it in the first place !

Understandable that immigration was used back in 2016 to avoid intelligent debate but I think it’s left us completely wrong-footed now.

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18 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

They voted for an action that would result in a deal.

 

Please don't speak for me, Brexit should have meant out altogether i.e. no deal, leaving the customs union, ending freedom of movement and the influence of the European court. Trade negotiations between the EU and TROTW in the two years then following the vote.

I take no blame for Parliament ******ing up the process.

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7 minutes ago, pig said:

That Government document you posted up thread was actually pretty good. I mean it would have helped enormously if I’d just sat down to read it in the first place !

Understandable that immigration was used back in 2016 to avoid intelligent debate but I think it’s left us completely wrong-footed now.

Just looking over that document again now, it still states that Norway has no say over how the rules are made and it has no veto, and it must accept freedom of movement.  More more nuanced than that.  Its only for a starter for ten - it doesn't paint the whole story..

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6 minutes ago, maffo in oxford said:

Please don't speak for me, Brexit should have meant out altogether i.e. no deal, leaving the customs union, ending freedom of movement and the influence of the European court. Trade negotiations between the EU and TROTW in the two years then following the vote.

I take no blame for Parliament ******ing up the process.

But no deal is a deal. So you did vote for a deal...wto.

Hey.....Behind the curve........hope you're listening.......?..... maybe all leavers didn't understand what they voted for....... sounds like a miscarriage of democracy to me.....

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13 minutes ago, localhero1983 said:

No, don't be silly.

It failed because apart from it being a crap deal it was not Brexit enough, if it had been good enough for JRM, Boris and the rest of those muppets it would have gone through

No really this is the  one of the Leaver memes doing the rounds.

It failed because nobody liked it, because May trussed herself up in the red lines indicated by the vote not because it wasn’t batshit enough.

And conversely probably because 52% isn’t enough. Might have been better to admit most of the rationales Leavers espoused were bullsh1t, that instead Brexit was a process  with a long term coherent objective NOT an event  and that a priority was cooperating with and nurturing a good relationship with the remaining EU.

Pig for PM ?

 

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If no deal is the outcome, both sides need to get real and agree a number of sensible bilaterals.

All this talk about no food, and no medicine. Well check out this doozy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/15/irish-government-warns-medicine-supply-threatened-by-no-deal-brexit

No deal will be a perfect 10 high dive, no ripple, no impact; perfection .

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25 minutes ago, IMHAL said:

So now leavers voted for a signal did they.......righto. Super...I'm glad you've clarified that for them.

Please re state the atomic meaning of leave.

Yes and they didn't need it clarifying. Parliament is sovereign at the end of the day and all that was voted on is whether we should leave the EU - assurances were given at the time the government would voluntarily bound itself to the result but I don't want to add extra details to confuse you while we're making progress. The meaning of leave was exactly what was laid out in the official government document I linked to earlier - go have a read if you'd like to inform yourself. Good for you using words like atomic too :D I'm glad my vocabulary is wearing off on you.

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4 minutes ago, GrizzlyDave said:

If no deal is the outcome, both sides need to get real and agree a number of sensible bilaterals.

All this talk about no food, and no medicine. Well check out this doozy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/15/irish-government-warns-medicine-supply-threatened-by-no-deal-brexit

No deal will be a perfect 10 high dive, no ripple, no impact; perfection .

100% checks of psytosanitary products will absolutely screw the ports especially, no matter what some bloke from Calais has said..You want to sell your services into the EU?.. Forgetaboutit..

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1 minute ago, pig said:

No really this is the  one of the Leaver memes doing the rounds.

It failed because nobody liked it, because May trussed herself up in the red lines indicated by the vote not because it wasn’t batshit enough.

And conversely probably because 52% isn’t enough. Might have been better to admit most of the rationales Leavers espoused were bullsh1t, that instead Brexit was a process  with a long term coherent objective NOT an event  and that a priority was cooperating with and nurturing a good relationship with the remaining EU.

Pig for PM ?

 

I am a Remainer

But I just like to look at things factually rather than mould them into what I want them to be, and the fact is this deal was crushed because Tory MP's did not find it Brexit enough, that's a fact. Labour voted against it because that's what they do, it just so happens they voted down a crap deal this time.

Many Tories have had to vote on conviction rather then for party and Labour are making hay from that fact. Right now my greatest fear by far is not leaving or Remaining, it is a Labour government.

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1 minute ago, aheadofthecurve said:

Yes and they didn't need it clarifying. Parliament is sovereign at the end of the day and all that was voted on is whether we should leave the EU - assurances were given at the time the government would voluntarily bound itself to the result but I don't want to add extra details to confuse you while we're making progress. The meaning of leave was exactly what was laid out in the official government document I linked to earlier - go have a read if you'd like to inform yourself. Good for you using words like atomic too :D I'm glad my vocabulary is wearing off on you.

You made a link to a set of documents...not a single document.....a quote you posted does not contain that definition......I  assume you don't know what that definition is otherwise you would have posted it.

Feel free to clarify your point ....... so we can share in your wisdom...

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2 minutes ago, aheadofthecurve said:

I was never particularly in to Radiohead but thanks for the suggestion, growing up I was always more of a Limp Bizkit guy. I thought you didn't want to talk to me anymore? :D 

My favorite bar reopened and I've broken my dry January New year's. You got a kind of pass in deference to an awesome tune ?

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