Locke Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 16 hours ago, smash said: Oh, my goodness what an extraordinary thing to say Aw, cheers 16 hours ago, smash said: ideas about physicality 16 hours ago, smash said: You're that right wing libertarian aren't you? Anarchist. I don't know what right wing means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 9 hours ago, macca13 said: Trump must go also ORANGE MAN BAD 9 hours ago, macca13 said: over the next 10 to 20 years the planet will show the people what idiots they have been 60 years ago, the planet was going to show that in 10-20 years 9 hours ago, macca13 said: Before the flood By di Caprio, who loves to fly his polluting private jet around the world to proselytise to plebs about how their refrigerator is murdering seal cubs. 9 hours ago, macca13 said: no more building, no more people. Calm down Thanos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 7 hours ago, pig said: This banging on about remainers is starting to get comical howler - give it a rest. This episode of the saga is I think more centred on the curious story of Brexiters voting down Mays deal. Or allegedly at any rate. If they really carry out their threat it would be quite extraordinary. Although tbf Conservative remainers voting against it would also be just as fascinating. I disagree. They don't like May's deal because it's too soft. But it's still leaving, so they get something and their goose isn't quite cooked. They're a sideshow to distract from the main event, which is the end of remain if May's deal passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, thehowler said: I disagree. They don't like May's deal because it's too soft. But it's still leaving, so they get something and their goose isn't quite cooked. They're a sideshow to distract from the main event, which is the end of remain if May's deal passes. Remaining in the customs union indefinitely, but with no vote, is not leaving in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, thehowler said: I disagree. They don't like May's deal because it's too soft. But it's still leaving, so they get something and their goose isn't quite cooked. They're a sideshow to distract from the main event, which is the end of remain if May's deal passes. In that case they overplay it and alienated the Brexit deal. It will be not easily digested by Tory voters, especially the hard ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No One Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, thehowler said: I disagree. They don't like May's deal because it's too soft. But it's still leaving, so they get something and their goose isn't quite cooked. They're a sideshow to distract from the main event, which is the end of remain if May's deal passes. the deal is shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Remaining in the customs union indefinitely, but with no vote, is not leaving in my book. That's just the backstop, might never happen and it's years away. Bird in the hand, Banner, it might be the best you're going to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Well I never, the ECJ are going to give their ruling the day before the meaningful vote...puts to rest all those worries that the ECJ might have a political/partisan agenda... Could this send GD's pony cantering over the meadow? Or will they drop a bombshell and say we can't revoke unilaterally, to shore up May's deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Johnny Mercer has come out against the deal...if May can't win round MPs like him she doesn't stand a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, thehowler said: That's just the backstop, might never happen and it's years away. Bird in the hand, Banner, it might be the best you're going to get. The possibility of it happening is unacceptable. The best we're going to get? You sound like Theresa May. I would prefer no deal, or remain, to this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I might have to put my pony on May resigning next week. May's deal is the best way out, IMHO, but it doesn't look like MPs can swallow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, thehowler said: Johnny Mercer has come out against the deal...if May can't win round MPs like him she doesn't stand a chance. Maybe there is a God after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: The possibility of it happening is unacceptable. The best we're going to get? You sound like Theresa May. I would prefer no deal, or remain, to this deal. No deal can't happen - unless we go to GE and the Brexit loon comes in, and they'll probably sell you out anyway - and remain doesn't solve the problem of the ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehowler Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bruce Banner said: Maybe there is a God after all. You have no idea what is going to happen if May's deal tanks. At least with May's deal you would no longer be a member state, no FOM, limited ECJ and chance to negotiate something better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, thehowler said: You have no idea what is going to happen if May's deal tanks. At least with May's deal you would no longer be a member state, no FOM, limited ECJ and chance to negotiate something better. It would be interesting, but I'm expecting us to remain. Edited December 6, 2018 by Bruce Banner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, thehowler said: You have no idea what is going to happen if May's deal tanks. At least with May's deal you would no longer be a member state, no FOM, limited ECJ and chance to negotiate something better. Yes, May's Brexit deal is one option - not acceptable for majority. The second option is revoke A50 - not acceptable for majority Tories and their voters. And very unlikely option no deal Brexit - acceptable only for extreme Brexiters. They are now between a rock and a hard place without escape route. Edited December 6, 2018 by rollover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, rollover said: Yes, May's Brexit deal is one option - not acceptable for majority except of extreme Brexites. The second option is revoke A50 - not acceptable for majority Tories and their voters. They are now between a rock and a hard place without escape route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 34 minutes ago, thehowler said: That's just the backstop, might never happen and it's years away. Bird in the hand, Banner, it might be the best you're going to get. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneCernan Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 I'm going to buy PLayStation VR today and immerse myself until this whole sorry mess is over in 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, Locke said: Why not to use another joystick with more options, the choice is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, thehowler said: You have no idea what is going to happen if May's deal tanks. At least with May's deal you would no longer be a member state, no FOM, limited ECJ and chance to negotiate something better. I tend to agree with you on this one......but......it seems that now Brexit has been defined.... and it's probably 'the best that we can get'.......it does not appear popular to MP's or the public..... so what is the point of it other than it allows the ref result to be honoured? I am not trivialising the importance of the last point... I am just stating that that appears to be it's only function. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.... strange world. Edited December 6, 2018 by IMHAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cock-eyed octopus Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 minute ago, rollover said: Why not to use another joystick with more options, the choice is there. Isn't it about time you learned to use the English language properly? Or are you some sort of bot/troll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHAL Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: Isn't it about time you learned to use the English language properly? Or are you some sort of bot/troll? Maybe it's not his first language - in which case I think he is doing a splendid job and making some great observations. Your last point is uncalled for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmin Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, rollover said: Conservative MP's 315 - 48 = 267. 48 MP's is not enough, they are 110 MP's short and they need 158 or more. Can you show me, how did you work out your possibility? It's 48 MPs to trigger the vote. Then the possibility is that others decide that May isn't good at elections so use the opportunity to replace her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollover Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, ****-eyed octopus said: Isn't it about time you learned to use the English language properly? Or are you some sort of bot/troll? I do my best and thank you for your point. But if you have the burning need, feel free to correct me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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