Brexit What Happens Next Thread ---multiple merged threads.

[dugsbody]

1 hour ago, Greg Bowman said:

The country isn’t at stake. Individual fortunes and welfare at a micro level perhaps in the short term. The vote result was to leave an admin system, we aren’t leaving Europe unless there is some wonderful new technology that means we can pilot our little island anywhere we want ?

After a run in with the board of governors of my children’s Public school one of them said to me ‘Greg the problem is you think in too short a timescale the school will be here long after we are dust’ 

The same point was made to me by a friend of Chinese extraction. She said ‘ the problem with the West is it only thinks a generation at a time , we think of 10 generations’

Our country is the result of a thousands years of history and still a pretty fine place for many. For sure there are some challenges coming up and personally I believe they are greater from human longevity, Automation and AI which aren’t per se Brexit related in fact Brexit is a known unknown. Chaos theory would say the greater challenge will be as Donald Rumsfeld said the unknown unknowns.

The country isn’t at stake - short term economic success is uncertain for sure, but our country will endure and prosper again

Happy New Year ???

For sure, I agree with this. The UK will survive brexit and may even come out reasonably well but I don't think it is optimal and as a liberal person I prefer to tear down barriers between humans rather than create more. 

[knock out johnny]

6 hours ago, spyguy said:

[I voted remain by the way]

In what seems like years ago, I started the what became the first thread devoted to Brexit in Dec 15:

At that time,. Brexit was only being mentioned in fringe internet groups.

My guess and reasoning were correct - Brexit is less about 'foreigners'  the UK is possibly one of the most accommodating countries in the world except the US. You know all these people who bang on about Trump or little britisher really ought to visit these countries where all the people moving to the US and UK come from. They are all really v. xenophobic.

Brexit was caused by Brown and Blair. Its that simple.

Labour opened up the gates to everyone - see Greenfell - and are somehow surprised by the reflex against migration of loads of benefits and unskilled workers.

Brown and his idiot tax credits have brought  in 6-9m EEers.

At my partners school theyve gone from having a couple of foreign kids to having 40% iof the reception class being EE. All are on pupil premium, so they are all are on benefits. 90^ of the problems are caused by the kids - extra language, extra spending due to poor academic progress,

You know there is a problem when the drippiest, Id like to teach the world sing teacher there tells me at the Xmas drink that shes totally fed up with the EE kids and parents and why are they even in the UK if they are not supporting themselves. Christ, they have a Roma family who try and sell the Big Issue when they eventually turn up to collect their kids.

Its a massive a fuxup.

What case did all these all seeing, all knowing, political ginats make for voting remain?

None. Nothign concrete.

Did they attempt to address or even recognise the problem? Nope. Did they visit palces like Middlesborugh where loads of EE have poured into the cheap housing and overwhelmed what little remains of the indigenous popualtion? Nope.

Did they try and explain why importing 100s of EE workers to one of the EUs poorest regions, on Polish terms, to build a combined heat power station., undercutting local workers, on Union rates, is a good idea? Nope.

The only Remain case being being made was - Bote in or the banks will move. FFS!

 

 

 

 

Why did you vote remain Spy?

[ccc]

16 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

It is very common for brexiters to not take responsibility.

Brexit was primarily a vote to end freedom of movement. This becomes obvious if you spend any amount of time in dialog with brexiters. The message it sends is clear. Stop trying to take the high ground and own your decisions.

What are you talking about ?

We voted. We won. You lost. Get over it. 

There's my responsibility. For you having issues accepting the result. All my fault. Oh well. Get over it. As I said. 

It's all my fault. I voted leave. 

What exactly else would you like "responsibility" wise ? An apology card in the post for your resultant hissy fits ? 

This thread is like dealing with toddlers much of the time. 

[dugsbody]

1 minute ago, ccc said:

What are you talking about ?

You probably read the quote I was replying to which said the blame for the negative view of Britain is on the remainers. This is common from brexiters, though of course it is nonsense. I'm glad you take responsibility though.

[knock out johnny]

6 hours ago, spyguy said:

[I voted remain by the way]

In what seems like years ago, I started the what became the first thread devoted to Brexit in Dec 15:

At that time,. Brexit was only being mentioned in fringe internet groups.

My guess and reasoning were correct - Brexit is less about 'foreigners'  the UK is possibly one of the most accommodating countries in the world except the US. You know all these people who bang on about Trump or little britisher really ought to visit these countries where all the people moving to the US and UK come from. They are all really v. xenophobic.

Brexit was caused by Brown and Blair. Its that simple.

Labour opened up the gates to everyone - see Greenfell - and are somehow surprised by the reflex against migration of loads of benefits and unskilled workers.

Brown and his idiot tax credits have brought  in 6-9m EEers.

At my partners school theyve gone from having a couple of foreign kids to having 40% iof the reception class being EE. All are on pupil premium, so they are all are on benefits. 90^ of the problems are caused by the kids - extra language, extra spending due to poor academic progress,

You know there is a problem when the drippiest, Id like to teach the world sing teacher there tells me at the Xmas drink that shes totally fed up with the EE kids and parents and why are they even in the UK if they are not supporting themselves. Christ, they have a Roma family who try and sell the Big Issue when they eventually turn up to collect their kids.

Its a massive a fuxup.

What case did all these all seeing, all knowing, political ginats make for voting remain?

None. Nothign concrete.

Did they attempt to address or even recognise the problem? Nope. Did they visit palces like Middlesborugh where loads of EE have poured into the cheap housing and overwhelmed what little remains of the indigenous popualtion? Nope.

Did they try and explain why importing 100s of EE workers to one of the EUs poorest regions, on Polish terms, to build a combined heat power station., undercutting local workers, on Union rates, is a good idea? Nope.

The only Remain case being being made was - Bote in or the banks will move. FFS!

 

 

 

 

Why did you vote remain Spy?

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

It is very common for brexiters to not take responsibility.

Brexit was primarily a vote to end freedom of movement. This becomes obvious if you spend any amount of time in dialog with brexiters. The message it sends is clear. Stop trying to take the high ground and own your decisions.

It's a pretty simple dynamic; when johnny furriner wants to know why people voted Brexit, the obvious primary source is the UK's state media. BBC says people voted Brexit because * insert ad hominem here * - what else is johnny to think?

Happy new year, everyone!

[dugsbody]

1 minute ago, highYield said:

It's a pretty simple dynamic; when johnny furriner wants to know why people voted Brexit, the obvious primary source is the UK's state media. BBC says people voted Brexit because * insert ad hominem here * - what else is johnny to think?

Except, in this case it is true. The vote was to end freedom of movement and stop so many foreigners moving here. You're right, it is quite simple and the message is clear.

[ccc]

1 minute ago, dugsbody said:

You probably read the quote I was replying to which said the blame for the negative view of Britain is on the remainers. This is common from brexiters, though of course it is nonsense. I'm glad you take responsibility though.

Errr it is. Take this thread as one example. 

Seriously. Have a think. 

Find me any positivity about the UK post Brexit on this thread from remainers.

Finger in the air I would put it at roughly 1000-1 in terms of a negative view of the UK from the remainers compared to Brexiters. 

You surely can't have missed this.....

[dugsbody]

4 minutes ago, ccc said:

Errr it is. Take this thread as one example. 

Seriously. Have a think. 

Find me any positivity about the UK post Brexit on this thread from remainers.

Finger in the air I would put it at roughly 1000-1 in terms of a negative view of the UK from the remainers compared to Brexiters. 

You surely can't have missed this.....

The rest of the world doesn't care what "remainers" think. It cares that Britain is leaving the worlds largest free trade block and choosing a more isolationist approach. 

You need to take responsibility if brexit is to be a success and stop trying to shirk and shift it onto remainers to make it so.

Btw, regarding one positive post, from me, literally about 20 minutes ago:

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/210294-brexit-what-happens-next-thread-multiple-merged-threads/&do=findComment&comment=1103324298

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

8 minutes ago, ccc said:

...Find me any positivity about the UK post Brexit on this thread from remainers.

Finger in the air I would put it at roughly 1000-1 in terms of a negative view of the UK from the remainers compared to Brexiters. 

You surely can't have missed this.....

The upsides to Brexit are?
A single upside to Brexit is? (other than the eventual death of this thread!)

 

 

[ccc]

2 minutes ago, dugsbody said:

The rest of the world doesn't care what "remainers" think. It cares that Britain is leaving the worlds largest free trade block and choosing a more isolationist approach. 

You need to take responsibility if brexit is to be a success and stop trying to shirk and shift it onto remainers to make it so.

Btw, regarding one positive post, from me, literally about 20 minutes ago:

http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/210294-brexit-what-happens-next-thread-multiple-merged-threads/&do=findComment&comment=1103324298

Yes - and the previous positive from any remainer ? If you find one within 6 months let me know. 

As for this "responsibility". Again - exactly what do you want ? 

Just now, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

The upsides to Brexit are?
A single upside to Brexit is? (other than the eventual death of this thread!)

 

 

This has been done so many times on this thread I'm not going to waste my time yet again. Feel free to search through the thousands of posts. 

[spyguy]

24 minutes ago, knock out johnny said:

Why did you vote remain Spy?

Mrs spys italian. Being able to travel thru the europe wiyhout too much hassle is a pro.

Being in a close trading group is good for the uk. Counter balances US and, now, china.

The idea behind Europe /EU is good. Except a load of 3rd rate pols have fuxxed it with gormless, economists, inspired badly implemented big ideas - Euro, FOM.

Europe has brought in a large number of good, small to medium ideas - product safety, phone chargers, erasmus student and research  programmes.

One problem with europe is the gross over influence of farmers. Agri counts for fux all of euro employment yet sucks in half the budget and prevents agri trade with north africa and ME which might have gone someway to stabilise those regions.

The big failings are where theyve left stuff undone - biggy was border control. Criminally insane when Shengen is in place. Used by the likes of France and Germany to dump border control costs on the edgecountries i.e Greece and Itaky, both fuxxed over by the gormless Euro experience.

Mrs Spy voted out. Why do theze eastern europeans keepz turning up atta my school. They do not speaky the english. They do noyta work. Oo is paying for allz ze people - Me! With my taxes!

(Mrs Spy speaks RP english)

[rollover]

8 minutes ago, DarkHorseWaits-NoMore said:

The upsides to Brexit are?
A single upside to Brexit is? (other than the eventual death of this thread!)

 

 

The upside to Brexit is: UK may never leave the EU.

Quote

Brexit Secretary David Davis has hinted that there is still be a chance the UK will not leave the EU. Metro

 

[DarkHorseWaits-NoMore]

1 hour ago, rollover said:

The upside to Brexit is: UK may never leave the EU.

Yes. If I put my ultra optimistic head on for a moment (though some might say delusional) then hopefully the entire notion of Brexit will be totally exposed as a complete nonsense and those involved cast into permanent political exile. The UK will then agree to abandon Brexit on conditions that will force real EU reform to be taken seriously, preserving both the UK union, it's economy and strengthening the EU project, whilst neutralising the recent rise of divisive nationalism.

Yeah, fat chance, not likely. Happy New Year .

 

Edited December 31, 2017 by DarkHorseWaits-NoMore
typo's

[spyguy]

I was just reading about that fascist t1t Adonis.

I had a look at the Stronger in Europe A team

 

Bloke in pink t shirt, wearing trainers, pornographers ex gf, crap mands ceo, plank, plank, mad cat woman, token beeb black bird.

Really pulled the stops out.

 

[Unexpected]

10 hours ago, IMHAL said:

That is the right question to a ask.

Perhaps, as damaging as Brexit will be, it was inevitable because the politicians did not see immigration as that high a priority before Brexit - until now. Perhaps they saw it as a difficult issue to solve. Sure they payed lip service to it but they never did anything remotely effective.

Unfortunately Brexit was the result of the people saying we re not being listened to regarding immigration (which I still think in large part is misguided) - the problem is that this predominatley one issue vote will have very many negative consequences.

Maybe so, but negative consequences are something the majority were willing to accept because, as you say, the people were not listened to. Not a single party (excluding ukip) had it in their manifesto to solve the problems the correct way so the result is brexit. Unfortunately the politicians have learned their lesson too late.

I'm glad you can see this unlike the other poster who responded to my point.

[IMHAL]

13 minutes ago, Unexpected said:

Maybe so, but negative consequences are something the majority were willing to accept because, as you say, the people were not listened to. Not a single party (excluding ukip) had it in their manifesto to solve the problems the correct way so the result is brexit. Unfortunately the politicians have learned their lesson too late.

I'm glad you can see this unlike the other poster who responded to my point.

I'd say the majority are not yet aware of the consequences of brexit, because they are as yet not apparent. So, at this point they see no trade off, no consequences, no definite negative or even positive as yet to take into account. So as far as the people being willing to accept the concequences, maybe and maybe not, we shall see.

[IMHAL]

6 hours ago, ccc said:

"it consisted of an online questionnaire of 280 participants who had voted in it. The second study involved 226 people and took place after the Government announced support for a “hard” Brexit option in September 2016."

 

So less people than the poll on here that shows more people have changed from remain to Brexit since the vote than vice versa ? 

Tremendous in the extreme. 

You score so many own goals it's quite simply incredible. 

You said my response was complete conjecture when clearly it was not. Sorry, you are wrong yet again. 

Interestingly tho, the sample size of 250 gives a margin for error of only 6% with 95% confidence.

Edited December 31, 2017 by IMHAL

[Byron]

3 hours ago, ccc said:

What are you talking about ?

We voted. We won. You lost. Get over it. 

There's my responsibility. For you having issues accepting the result. All my fault. Oh well. Get over it. As I said. 

It's all my fault. I voted leave. 

What exactly else would you like "responsibility" wise ? An apology card in the post for your resultant hissy fits ? 

This thread is like dealing with toddlers much of the time. 

Agreed.

I hate FOM, I hate my country being taken over by foreigners.

So, some London SJW doesn't like it?

TOUGH.

According to their insults, SJW wankers will just have to suck up the fact that the majority of the UK voter base is Racist, xenophobic and bigoted.

I don't actually believe that, but if it makes lightweight, frivolous, pathologically altruistic remoaners  feel better, so be it.

Won't change things though, we are on the way out.

Remoaner?

Your sun has set.

[IMHAL]

4 hours ago, ccc said:

What are you talking about ?

We voted. We won. You lost. Get over it. 

There's my responsibility. For you having issues accepting the result. All my fault. Oh well. Get over it. As I said. 

It's all my fault. I voted leave. 

What exactly else would you like "responsibility" wise ? An apology card in the post for your resultant hissy fits ? 

This thread is like dealing with toddlers much of the time. 

 

12 minutes ago, Byron said:

Agreed.

I hate FOM, I hate my country being taken over by foreigners.

So, some London SJW doesn't like it?

TOUGH.

According to their insults, SJW wankers will just have to suck up the fact that the majority of the UK voter base is Racist, xenophobic and bigoted.

I don't actually believe that, but if it makes lightweight, frivolous, pathologically altruistic remoaners  feel better, so be it.

Won't change things though, we are on the way out.

Remoaner?

Your sun has set.

Right on cue , the right sort agreeing with ccc.. .. birds of a feather....

Edited December 31, 2017 by IMHAL

[Guest]

5 hours ago, dugsbody said:

It is very common for brexiters to not take responsibility.

responsibility? You do know that the Brexit vote legally wasn't a referendum, but more akin to an opinion poll?

We live in a constitutional monarchy without a written constitution that operates as a FPTP political duopoly. Only votes in some marginal seats really count - Our system seems to be that MPs from one of the 2 parties decide what is best for us. They do take turns, but....

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility. With virtually no power comes no ..............

Edited December 31, 2017 by Guest

[ccc]

15 hours ago, ccc said:

Why would I ? Why don't you acknowledge there are more racists and Xenophobes who voted remain ?

Neither can be proven even remotely. Complete conjecture. 

 

8 hours ago, IMHAL said:

You said my response was complete conjecture when clearly it was not. Sorry, you are wrong yet again. 

Interestingly tho, the sample size of 250 gives a margin for error of only 6% with 95% confidence.

Please explain to me how a poll of 280 people out of 40 million or so voters is anything other than "complete conjecture". 

Here's the definition of conjecture to help you along.

"an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information."

A poll of 280 people out of millions is the very definition of complete conjecture. 

I am right - you are wrong - again. But don't let the facts get it the way of another rant if you fancy it. 

[ccc]

8 hours ago, IMHAL said:

 

Right on cue , the right sort agreeing with ccc.. .. birds of a feather....

What ? People that don't agree with FOM and dislike many of the things that come with it ? 

Yep - birds of a feather. And there are far more of us than you. And we are of all colours , creeds, nationalities and backgrounds. 

And this applies to every single country on the planet when push comes to shove.

And we are not talking about a dislike for foreigners in general. It's a numbers and critical mass thing. 

In the UK we went over that line many years ago - and many people have had enough. 

So feel free continuing to fight the battle of basic human instinct. But you will fail. Forever. 

It's like trying to stop blokes seeing a hot burd and wanting to bang her. Never going to happen. 

7 hours ago, highYield said:

responsibility? You do know that the Brexit vote legally wasn't a referendum, but more akin to an opinion poll?

We live in a constitutional monarchy without a written constitution that operates as a FPTP political duopoly. Only votes in some marginal seats really count - Our system seems to be that MPs from one of the 2 parties decide what is best for us. They do take turns, but....

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility. With virtually no power comes no ..............

I've yet to have anyone claiming Brexiters need to take "responsibility" actually explain what they mean by it. 

[IMHAL]

4 hours ago, ccc said:

What ? People that don't agree with FOM and dislike many of the things that come with it ? 

Yep - birds of a feather. And there are far more of us than you. And we are of all colours , creeds, nationalities and backgrounds. 

And this applies to every single country on the planet when push comes to shove.

And we are not talking about a dislike for foreigners in general. It's a numbers and critical mass thing. 

In the UK we went over that line many years ago - and many people have had enough. 

So feel free continuing to fight the battle of basic human instinct. But you will fail. Forever. 

It's like trying to stop blokes seeing a hot burd and wanting to bang her. Never going to happen. 

I've yet to have anyone claiming Brexiters need to take "responsibility" actually explain what they mean by it. 

You do talk a load of twaddle.....how can you even take yourself seriously is beyond me..... in other news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42527750

Fancy volunteering to protect our borders?......'Captain Mannering'.......... that should keep brexiteers happy for a long long time.

I do love it when a plan comes together ..... that BBC piece has tickled me pink and made my day. In fact, I just cannot stop laughing at the thought of a bunch of swivel eyed Brexitters with their clip boards at boarders....looking all officious and important and all. You might be able to confiscate the odd bottle of scotch or interrogate a furryner.....especially those krauts.. they may be carrying illicit bratworst..(they don't like  it up them you know)..... you might even get a nice uniform and some boots....(emoticon of a person bend over with laughter). Please stop, its just too much.

Of course it is a very important job, you will look all glamorous in that blue uniform and you may even be able to poach the odd bird at the pub.....just remember to keep your eyes straight... it puts them off when they are swivelling too much.

 

 

Edited January 1, 2018 by IMHAL

[IMHAL]

4 hours ago, ccc said:

 

Please explain to me how a poll of 280 people out of 40 million or so voters is anything other than "complete conjecture". 

Here's the definition of conjecture to help you along.

"an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information."

A poll of 280 people out of millions is the very definition of complete conjecture. 

I am right - you are wrong - again. But don't let the facts get it the way of another rant if you fancy it. 

Every opinion poll ever conducted that uses a sample that is less than 100% is complete conjecture is it?......just more fake news to add to your mounting ant-brexit fake news folder ....

So does that mean that the Brexit Referendum being based on less that 100% of the population is just......conjecture.......

I should'nt let your twaddle get in the way of reality.

Edited January 1, 2018 by IMHAL