ccc Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I am going to vote later. I shall sneak a ballot paper out. Go to the local copy shop - and make 3.7 million ballot papers up marked clearly with OUT. Its the 'right' thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errol Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 The Establishment has already done that, except they created lots of 'remain' votes. They are standing by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Paddy Power latest odds 1/12 Remain, 7/1 Leave. Will the bookies get it wrong this time?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Masked Tulip Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Paddy Power latest odds 1/12 Remain, 7/1 Leave. Will the bookies get it wrong this time?.... I don't think that bookies are entirely unbiased in all of this. They like access to a huge European betting market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 They don't like offering unnecessarily generous odds though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Maybe just maybe the bookies are manipulating the markets. The odds are clearly wrong even if REMAIN win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riedquat Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 They don't like offering unnecessarily generous odds though... We had a discussion about this not long back, the bookies' numbers are based on where people have been putting their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karelian Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 There is not one positive comment under the Press Association's tweet. Interesting. The realisation seems to be wider than thought. Yes. Everyone's seeing right through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodigal sheeple Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Article on Zerohedge (according to Ladbrokes' head of political betting, Matthew Shaddick, the key catalyst that moved bookie odds on Monday morning, the first day after the suspended campaign in the aftermath of Jo Cox murder was resumed, "we took a £25,000 bet on Remain this morning which helped move the odds in their direction." This in turn unleashed a global asset surge, as markets rebounded on expectations the Leave campaign was losing momentum, even as actual polls - still neck and neck - did not validate such an observation. Earlier today, Bloomberg confirmed as much: (Investors are piling money into bets on a victory for the “Remain” campaign, led by Prime Minister David Cameron. The pound has surged to a five-month high and European stocks just posted their biggest three-day gain in almost a year, with the U.K.’s benchmark index erasing its monthly decline. Bookmakers have shortened their odds on a vote to stay. Polls, meanwhile, say the race is too close to call after a swing toward the “Leave” campaign came to an apparent halt last week following the murder of Labour Party lawmaker Jo Cox, a supporter of staying in the EU. “Rising anticipation that ‘Remain’ will win the vote is driving the market,” said John Plassard, a senior equity-sales trader at Mirabaud Securities in Geneva. “Even if polls are close, people are paying more attention to the bookmakers because that was a much better predictor in past referendums.) Moments ago Ladbrokes confirmed as much when it pointed out that while the probability of Brexit remains at only 24%, two thirds or 62% of all bets being placed today are for Leave, the same as yesterday. One simple, if very cynical explanation, is the following: wealthy financial entities, including local banks and rich individuals, all of whom have an interest in keeping the UK in the EU and preserving the status quo, are placing far larger bets, even if their number is ultimately far lower than the number of people betting on Brexit. And in yet another case of reflexivity, with the public seeing that "Remain" is winning based on bookie odds, it is shifting popular sentiment toward Remain, even as the vast majority of bets is actually for Leave. To be sure, none of this is broken down when either the investing or general public see the bookie odds: they just note 76% chance of Leave, when in reality almost two thirds of bookie bettors are voting to Leave, despite not having nearly the financial capacity to offset the bookie line as a result of the few massive bets being placed on the other side. Of course, the actual referendum is a democratic, and popular one, not one where the rich can influence or buy votes, and as such far more important is not the skew to the Brexit or Bremain line due to outsized bets, but the actual number of bets in any direction. As such, it would be certainly useful to the British voting public to know not just the bottom line odds, but how they got to where they are, which as Ladborkes admits, it "has received a higher volume of bets to leave the EU." Substantially larger in fact, some 62% to 38%, which also explains the dramatic divergence between the neck and neck polling and the actual Brexit odds which see Remain winning with whopping 76% odds. Because it is those 38% supports of Remain, whose outsized bets are driving not only the reported odds, but also global market sentiment. The real question is whether that same wealthy minority which is influencing bookie odds will also be able to manipulate the final Referendum outcome in less than 24 hours.) Now I can't decide what to do first, cast my vote, or put £200 on Brexit at 10/3. This article confirms my suspicions that the remainders are consciously influencing bookies odds in order to get their message across. It's not often you will get 3/1 odds on 50/50 gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exmond Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 If we stay in then I am washing my hands of all the SJWs and fem-nazies. I will look forward to them complaining about their rights disappearing in the future and I am just going to laugh. You haven't already lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Monday was a huger day than today. 17 hours of daylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migrant Mother Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Article on Zerohedge (according to Ladbrokes' head of political betting, Matthew Shaddick, the key catalyst that moved bookie odds on Monday morning, the first day after the suspended campaign in the aftermath of Jo Cox murder was resumed, "we took a £25,000 bet on Remain this morning which helped move the odds in their direction." This in turn unleashed a global asset surge, as markets rebounded on expectations the Leave campaign was losing momentum, even as actual polls - still neck and neck - did not validate such an observation. Earlier today, Bloomberg confirmed as much: (Investors are piling money into bets on a victory for the “Remain” campaign, led by Prime Minister David Cameron. The pound has surged to a five-month high and European stocks just posted their biggest three-day gain in almost a year, with the U.K.’s benchmark index erasing its monthly decline. Bookmakers have shortened their odds on a vote to stay. Polls, meanwhile, say the race is too close to call after a swing toward the “Leave” campaign came to an apparent halt last week following the murder of Labour Party lawmaker Jo Cox, a supporter of staying in the EU. “Rising anticipation that ‘Remain’ will win the vote is driving the market,” said John Plassard, a senior equity-sales trader at Mirabaud Securities in Geneva. “Even if polls are close, people are paying more attention to the bookmakers because that was a much better predictor in past referendums.) Moments ago Ladbrokes confirmed as much when it pointed out that while the probability of Brexit remains at only 24%, two thirds or 62% of all bets being placed today are for Leave, the same as yesterday. One simple, if very cynical explanation, is the following: wealthy financial entities, including local banks and rich individuals, all of whom have an interest in keeping the UK in the EU and preserving the status quo, are placing far larger bets, even if their number is ultimately far lower than the number of people betting on Brexit. And in yet another case of reflexivity, with the public seeing that "Remain" is winning based on bookie odds, it is shifting popular sentiment toward Remain, even as the vast majority of bets is actually for Leave. To be sure, none of this is broken down when either the investing or general public see the bookie odds: they just note 76% chance of Leave, when in reality almost two thirds of bookie bettors are voting to Leave, despite not having nearly the financial capacity to offset the bookie line as a result of the few massive bets being placed on the other side. Of course, the actual referendum is a democratic, and popular one, not one where the rich can influence or buy votes, and as such far more important is not the skew to the Brexit or Bremain line due to outsized bets, but the actual number of bets in any direction. As such, it would be certainly useful to the British voting public to know not just the bottom line odds, but how they got to where they are, which as Ladborkes admits, it "has received a higher volume of bets to leave the EU." Substantially larger in fact, some 62% to 38%, which also explains the dramatic divergence between the neck and neck polling and the actual Brexit odds which see Remain winning with whopping 76% odds. Because it is those 38% supports of Remain, whose outsized bets are driving not only the reported odds, but also global market sentiment. The real question is whether that same wealthy minority which is influencing bookie odds will also be able to manipulate the final Referendum outcome in less than 24 hours.) Now I can't decide what to do first, cast my vote, or put £200 on Brexit at 10/3. This article confirms my suspicions that the remainders are consciously influencing bookies odds in order to get their message across. It's not often you will get 3/1 odds on 50/50 gamble. WTAF! Shocking but not entirely surprising. Thanks for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I think there is market manipulation going on with the odds too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libspero Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 How do you know Remain will win? Surely your sample size is too small? Why are you and your wife so different in mind-set from close associates and friends? Anecdotals are fun though. Went to a wedding earlier in the week.. at the reception after a few rounds of drinks I was given line and verse by someone supporting Bremain. I made a few soothing noises while trying not to look too bored but I was surprised that the vast majority of people on the table came out in favour of Brexit. Latest polls have also given Brexit a slight lead again but bookies and stock market have Bremain baked in. I suspect they are probably right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I am finding it difficult not to go into Ladbrokes on the way home and stick £100 on Brexit to get over 45.5% of the vote. Evens. That really sounds ridiculous. But I have said that about bets before and got it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migrant Mother Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It does look worth a punt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodigal sheeple Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Just got £100 11/2 on Brexit. Going to cast my vote now. Will spend the rest of the day glued to my computer to see if the odds go supernova before the end of polling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I love EU Citizens. Also, I love women. But in neither case am I prepared to make testicular sacrifices needed to be become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNACR Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 What to give Brussels as a leaving gift? I was thinking our establishment paedophile ring would be right up their street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkG Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 We had a discussion about this not long back, the bookies' numbers are based on where people have been putting their money. I'm sure the EU can spare a few million to push the odds toward 'keep the gravy train flowing'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migrant Mother Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I was going to bet but decided I'd be bloody happy enough if we got the Leave vote alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccc Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 It does look worth a punt! 8-11 now. Missed that one !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy_renting Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Well.... I seem to have alienated my entire pro-Remain family on social media! Would anyone like to adopt me as a token Grandad/Uncle? I can dandle children on my knee and I wipe clean afterwards. Don't all rush at once... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CunningPlan Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 I can dandle children on my knee and I wipe clean afterwards. Not sure that is the best advert for your skills. (and what is 'dandle' - daren't google it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ologhai Jones Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 Well.... I seem to have alienated my entire pro-Remain family on social media! Would anyone like to adopt me as a token Grandad/Uncle? Everyone has a weird elder relative that shows up at bi-annual family gatherings. It's part of the natural order. Now they think you're racist to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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