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What If England Votes Out But Scotland Keeps It In?

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The situation is usually posed in reverse, i.e. England dragging Scotland out of the EU against the latter's will, which would allegedly provoke a second Scexit referendum in short order. But given how close the polls continue to be, it could just as easily be a case of a narrow English "out" being overruled by a strong Scottish "in".

We remember the 2005 general election where Labour won but actually lost to the Tories in England in terms of the popular vote. That's not quite unprecedented: the same thing happened at UK level in 1974. However, given the passions stoked up by this specific referendum, who can tell how the English man-in-the-street, particularly Brexiters, would respond to an outcome like this?

This would be the West Lothian question raised to a whole new level....

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It`s not about what England,Scotland .wales .NI want, its the combined votes of all four which determines the outcome ,it`s not a general election based on seats and constituencies

But the leader of the SNP has stated if the vote goes to leave that will be enough to warrant another Scots referendum .

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It`s not about what England,Scotland .wales .NI want, its the combined votes of all four which determines the outcome ,it`s not a general election based on seats and constituencies

But the leader of the SNP has stated if the vote goes to leave that will be enough to warrant another Scots referendum .

...let her have her referendum ....she needs to get other party backing not having a majority ....but this is democracy and what the people decide should be honoured ....a second referendum in Scotland may produce a similar result as the first....but let the vote decide......... :rolleyes:

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But the leader of the SNP has stated if the vote goes to leave that will be enough to warrant another Scots referendum .

If Scotland didn't want to go wherever the UK went they should've voted to leave it last time. They've got no grounds for another referendum, not that it'll stop them bleating on about it.

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What happens if the vote is out and Sturgeon shadows Boris' negotiations trip to Brussels?

The EU can't afford to give the UK parity with existing terms post-exit, that would be the end of the union, but might want to tempt the Scots to declare an intent to remain in the EU in the long-term. What will they bribe us with?

It's uncharted territory folks, no one can predict the outcome of Brexit.

Edit: The Scottish tory leader has indicated that the party will break away from the UK party in the event of Boris becoming leader....

Edited by AThirdWay

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Weren't we told by the EU pre-Scottish referendum that if they gained independence from the UK, they couldn't 'remain' in the EU since the deal was with the UK and not a sovereign Scotland? And that they would have to apply and wait for however many years before they could join?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10641833/Jose-Manuel-Barroso-nearly-impossible-for-Scotland-to-join-EU.html

So having an independence referendum to 'remain' in the EU would logically be a total non-starter, would it not? Unless we were all lied to by a senior EU official of course. Perish the thought.

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I was speaking to a Scottish friend of mine last week and he said most SNP voters going for Brexit. Unlike Sturgeon they don't see European federalisation anymore favourably than being part of the UK.

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I was speaking to a Scottish friend of mine last week and he said most SNP voters going for Brexit. Unlike Sturgeon they don't see European federalisation anymore favourably than being part of the UK.

I think the SNP have massively over-estimated the Scottish electorate's enthusiasm for the EU. They have done so well at the polls because they are the only party unambiguously pro independent Scotland/Scotland first, not because the electorate there agree with all their policies.

Apparently a constituency by constituency breakdown of results should be available so that will prove interesting.

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