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The Political Compass

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Genuinely intrigued, not least in the light of the EU Referendum:

To quote [from memory] one of this forum's classic members, "Injin":

I can't believe people are still arguing over left and right wing

Quite so. I did a test online.

Result:

Your Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: -0.25

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.56

Apparently, I'm far more libertarian than authoritarian and almost exactly half way between right and left wing. I actually thought I'd be far more right of centre. My partner thinks so ;)

But wider than this: the EU Referendum has blown apart the traditional Left vs Right model.

The left are on a knife edge, with fire and brimstone one side and poisonous spikes on the other. The same is obviously true of the right.

Post referendum ,the political landscape of the UK will be radically different. I doubt we will have the 2 (and a bit) party status that has been the backdrop to my life so far. I for one cannot vote for a mainstream party due, in large, to their cynical behaviour throughout this campaign.

If it's possible, I'm even more disenfrachised than I was before....

I think that's a good post.

How do you get on in the above test? The questions are quite thought-provoking, though I didn't have to dwell on any of them for very long.

Where are you? And, wider, where are "we"? What is the political future?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/

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Here's mine....

Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.03

Right wing, Libertarian. It's obviously broken! :lol:

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Mine looks OK:

Economic Left/Right: 5.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.51

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How do you get on in the above test? The questions are quite thought-provoking, though I didn't have to dwell on any of them for very long.

Where are you? And, wider, where are "we"? What is the political future?

https://www.politicalcompass.org/test/

My score is in the post above. But your last questions are very thought provoking. And, I'm afraid, my thoughts tend to the depressing.

If you look at the discourse in the media and more generally, people seem to be tending towards the authoritarian. More and more demands that the state - or other institutions - control how people live their lives. Worryingly, the younger generation - traditionally the rebels against authority - are in the vanguard.

Old fashioned sexist that I am (accused of being), I wonder if it's related to the "feminisation" of politics and society. Maybe it's just my personal experience - but it's always been women who exert control and constraint; mother at home, teachers at school.

And the state loves this trend. More and more power is being taken from the people.

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But wider than this: the EU Referendum has blown apart the traditional Left vs Right model.

Totally. I had assumed that a traditional Labbour colleague was a Bremainer but no, found out this week that she was very keen to leave.

It really threw me then she was telling me about northern towns where pretty much all labour voters - traditional working class - want out.

Sounds to me that a new Labour party is ripe for founding based upon its traditional purpose rather than the SJW / international socialist that it has become.

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Totally. I had assumed that a traditional Labbour colleague was a Bremainer but no, found out this week that she was very keen to leave.

It really threw me then she was telling me about northern towns where pretty much all labour voters - traditional working class - want out.

Sounds to me that a new Labour party is ripe for founding based upon its traditional purpose rather than the SJW / international socialist that it has become.

Since the 70s, Labour has shifted from being the party of the working class man (mainly private sector).

To being the party of the public sector woman and doley.

The kick back against public sector workers by people who do not work fro the public sector and have to put up wit the p1ss poor services is huge 'Theres XYY (Nurse) Shes having another day off as its sunny' - Spy's mum (2 days ago).

UKIP is destryoing Labour's voting base.

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Economic Left/Right: -1.38

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.87

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It is interesting how my scores no longer really reflect my political affiliation. I should be a Labour/Liberal voter, but I wouldn't touch either party with a barge pole.

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Economic Left/Right: -4.75

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.92

I'm Ghandi according to the chart. Done this test before and think it was pretty similar then too.

Would be interesting, at least from a policy perspective to see where the major UK parties plotted on that chart.

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There you go: (links on left of the page):

uk2015.png

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It strikes me that the new political alignment is along a spectrum of how many centres of power you think there should be in society. At one end, are those who want a statist/corporatist approach where the government has absolute power (often exercised in conjunction with corporations) and can change the world however it wants according to some ideologically-defined end goal, whether than be a libertarian land of freedom or a socialist enviro-utopia. At the other, are those who are comfortable with multiple, competing sources of authority. Government is part of that, but is joined by corporations, charities, the church, the family, national tradition, and the individual, where change does happen, but in an inefficient, slow and ambiguous manner.

At the moment, I think people are reacting against the all-consuming power of the establishment, where the state holds absolute authority and works in conjunction with a few favoured partners to exert power over individuals. People have seen power drain away from the church, the family, and tradition and think they're gaining individual power, but that authority has really just been transferred from those institutions to the state, while the power of the state has grown exponentially. The targets of oppression might have changed, but, in total, society is less free. Gay people no longer have to worry about random arrests or being fired from their job, but straight white men are now subject to random witch hunts leaving them in prison or jobless.

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There you go: (links on left of the page):

uk2015.png

Now I actually take the time to look at that, I see that us libertarian free-marketeers are completely disenfranchised - no one to vote for in the bottom right sector.

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There you go: (links on left of the page):

uk2015.png

Only one poster on here has been above the line on the Authoritarian/Libertarian access, but almost all the political parties are above the line (and I don't know what libertarian Green party they're referring to here). I wonder why people feel disenfranchised?

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My score is in the post above. But your last questions are very thought provoking. And, I'm afraid, my thoughts tend to the depressing.

If you look at the discourse in the media and more generally, people seem to be tending towards the authoritarian. More and more demands that the state - or other institutions - control how people live their lives. Worryingly, the younger generation - traditionally the rebels against authority - are in the vanguard.

Old fashioned sexist that I am (accused of being), I wonder if it's related to the "feminisation" of politics and society. Maybe it's just my personal experience - but it's always been women who exert control and constraint; mother at home, teachers at school.

And the state loves this trend. More and more power is being taken from the people.

well, if you are in a position where progress is being limited by powerful others, you can only appeal to the greater authority.

Banks and Financialisation are so dominant in peoples lives, followed by 0 hours contracting, who else can you appeal to to make things better?

Yet Government is the cause of the rise of both of my examples.

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Oh dear.

If economic globalisation is inevitable, it should primarily serve humanity rather than the interests of trans-national corporations

Uh-oh. Don't accept the premise. The question should be whether and why there's any such opposition (there is, but it's much more subtle than the anti-globalists misguided agenda would suppose). Assuming it as an article of faith is nonsense.

There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.

I'm bothered about the word "now": it's a very blinkered view of history to suppose there was ever a time you could separate entertainment from propaganda. Probably better what we have now than times when the Church had a monopoly.

Dammit, as soon as I get to page 2, there are lots more questions with whose premise I disagree. These are Have you stopped beating your wife? questions!

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-5.5

-0.92

Curiosly, I am in the opposite quadrant from my chosen political party.

I often have difficulty with this sort of questionaire, as I am always asking myself, am I supposed to answer the question totally at face value, or should I try and aswer the question that I think they are trying to ask.

For example, they ask "it is important that......agree/disagree". Now, I might agree in general, but not think it is "important". Depending how much I think about the question, I could easily give both answers.

edit: I did find the questions interesting to think over.

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This is mine. Seems odd to me:

Economic Left/Right: 0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.67

It's basically bang in the middle of the cross hairs. Which is odd (given my views).

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