Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
spyguy

The Official Brexit - Remain Thread - All New Threads Will Be Merged Into This One

Recommended Posts

I think the average number of children families have is about 1.8, so without immigration our population would fall and jobs left unfilled. Particularly the low paid caring jobs, the ones unpopular and too low paid for most of us in the uk. It's true, being more entrepreneurial would generate wealth, but we still need low paid jobs filled.

Warping is correct, we do not have to pay down our national debt, but it has to be kept under control a bit.

The U.K. is huge, and state involvement in house building and social provision like after World War II is required to improve people's lives - tax and spend. The blind belief in the market, particularly housing, has failed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
As I've already said, the real issue is benefits are too high. British people shouldn't be able to choose between low paid work and benefits. Benefits should ONLY be available to those who CAN'T provide for themselves, because they've been made redundant, they're disabled, they're terminally ill etc... It should be a social safety net and NOT a "career choice." The British will fill these roles again once their benefits are slashed. This must happen. This country has been taken over by an extreme left socialist mentality. The problem with taking from the rich and giving to the poor, is you erode the incentive to work. Ipso facto.
The average was 2.4 children per family, so the British indigenous population is in decline. Further more, demographers believe anything less than a 2.1 birthrate means a population is unsustainable. Something has to change now, in fact everything has to change. Alarm bells should be ringing.
Slashing benefits will force able British people into work and also have the benefit of dangling a smaller carrot to potential immigrants. Fewer immigrants puts less pressure on social services and lower paid jobs. If the British government want to make a big difference to the indigenous birthrate, they should facilitate cheap child care.

I think the average number of children families have is about 1.8, so without immigration our population would fall and jobs left unfilled. Particularly the low paid caring jobs, the ones unpopular and too low paid for most of us in the uk. It's true, being more entrepreneurial would generate wealth, but we still need low paid jobs filled.

Warping is correct, we do not have to pay down our national debt, but it has to be kept under control a bit.

The U.K. is huge, and state involvement in house building and social provision like after World War II is required to improve people's lives - tax and spend. The blind belief in the market, particularly housing, has failed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes yes, lying adds to a conversation. What a stupid thing to say.

Offer a non stupid explanation for why you're so happy to have unlimited immigration from the almost entirely white EU but want a points based system for the much less white rest of the world then.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Offer a non stupid explanation for why you're so happy to have unlimited immigration from the almost entirely white EU but want a points based system for the much less white rest of the world then.

Well its simple really, we are in a european free trade area. It is one of the requirements.

We have a points based system for the rest of the world. Please reread previous messages.

Also, why bring colour in to it. Perhaps you have issues.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The U.K. is huge, and state involvement in house building and social provision like after World War II is required to improve people's lives - tax and spend. The blind belief in the market, particularly housing, has failed.

There hasn't been a free market in house building since 1947. Planning, the clue is in the name.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well its simple really, we are in a european free trade area. It is one of the requirements.

It's an onerous one.

Let's join a different free trade area, if they insist on that requirement.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I haven't caught up with the thread for a week (needed a break from it), but I need to post this link before I do:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/jul/31/my-partner-and-i-are-at-breaking-point-over-brexit

The article itself, and many of the comments, are so outrageous and bigoted (while accusing others of the same), there's nothing left to do but laugh, I couldn't even begin to address fallacies and hypocrisy, it's too much, too deep seated, almost every sentence has something disturbing about it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's an onerous one.

Let's join a different free trade area, if they insist on that requirement.

We could form a free trade area between England and Scotland.

I can't quite work out why free trade areas seem to get rights that seem to make the basic WTO rights for individual countries virtually worthless. I was quite looking forward to operating on the WTO basis, but it does start to sound as if it is something of a disadvantage.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We could form a free trade area between England and Scotland.

I can't quite work out why free trade areas seem to get rights that seem to make the basic WTO rights for individual countries virtually worthless. I was quite looking forward to operating on the WTO basis, but it does start to sound as if it is something of a disadvantage.

It would be. Under WTO, as a third country, we couldn't apply specific tariffs to specific countries. If its 2% for Potatoes to Germany, its the same to Ghana or Australia. However, under WTO, the EU is known as a "regional trade area" whereby it can discriminate against third countries, but we could not.

So, the EU would apply the "common external tariff" to the UK, so it would charge us, say for Eggs, a tariff of 10%..that rate would be set as a default rate under the CEF, and there's not much we can do about it, unless we magic up a FTA with the EU.

Edited by Dave Beans

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

However, under WTO, the EU is known as a "regional trade area" whereby it can discriminate against third countries, but we could not.

Time for proper federalisation and a "United Kingdom Regional Trade Area" then.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think the average number of children families have is about 1.8, so without immigration our population would fall and jobs left unfilled. Particularly the low paid caring jobs, the ones unpopular and too low paid for most of us in the uk. It's true, being more entrepreneurial would generate wealth, but we still need low paid jobs filled.

The fewer people the fewer jobs would be needed. More people just means needing more people to do the jobs, play the "we need to import people to fill jobs" game and you're on the exponential growth path that we've been so foolishly and short-sightedly following.

A gradual population decrease would be the best thing that could possibly happen to the UK, far outweighing whatever meaningless economic costs it might have. Obviously not forever, but quality of life would be an awful lot better with half the number of people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I suspect that we are going through a revolution.

The working classes ( and by that I mean both the traditional working class and lower middle ) are utterly fed up with Metropolitan ********, whether it be PC or Health and safety, all are held in utter disdain.

The left are aghast at how the 'people' the 'masses' that they claim to speak for despise them.

Pressures have been building up for a long time.

This Muslim cleric recently jailed.

WHO allowed him to stay here for 20 years on benefits?

The idiot Blair, the gormless Brown? Hapless Cameron, Clueless Clegg?

Pitchforks may still be in abeyance, probably we will have a 1688 type bloodless revolution, but the UK is going to change, and radically.

WHY has May not instantly changed the benefit rules?

That would put the kybosh on Calais, and quiet many of the Brexit voters.

May could be on borrowed time, UKIP is waiting.

The Labour Party, for so long an important part of our constitution, heirs to Chartism, Peterloo, andTolpuddle etc. are now utterly ruined by 1970s Hippyism 'Peace and Love Man'

Lead by an honest man who fails to understand that while basic principles of truth and honesty are worth clinging to, political principles must change according to the wind.

National Socialism beckons.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can't wait.

Pitchforks may still be in abeyance, probably we will have a 1688 type bloodless revolution, but the UK is going to change, and radically.

Edited by warpig

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 17/12/2015 at 12:00, spyguy said:

Again, along with the near miss (or hit, depending on your stance), another one of Gordie's genius ideas is blowing up the UK again.

Paying out tax credits to EU nationals has drawn in 10% of East Europe workforce, paying them a huge salary to hand wash cars, etc etc. Forcing up costs for the low paid natives, putting them out of jobs etc etc.

All down to that cretin Brown. Seriously, he's been out of power ~6 years and his 'great idea's' are still flying back to coup and dumping on the UK.

There's a BBC article on Camerons attempt to winkle out of the benefit payments:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35118036

Its always interesting to read the highest rated comments on HYS articles -they tend to be a good indication of what the nation is thinking.

A few years ago, 'UK out of EU' was a fringe opinion held by Colonels from Tunbridge Wells.

Now it appears to be the UK mainstream opinion, both left + right.

My opinion is they should scrap TCs ASAP. Introduce a contribution based welfare system like the rest of the EU.

Imagine the time, money and teeth gnashing that could have been save if the Pols and MSM had read my post ~5 years ago.

Labours current problem are not solely down to Corbin. Thats just a daft idiot trying apply failed solutions from the 1970s to todays problems.

Since 2000, Labour let ~15m mainly low paid or unemployed migrants come to  the UK to live totally or subbed by in work benefits.

The Cons did not address the issue in 2010 - upping TC hours, requiring 5 years NI contrib wed never be here..

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • 312 Brexit, House prices and Summer 2020

    1. 1. Including the effects Brexit, where do you think average UK house prices will be relative to now in June 2020?


      • down 5% +
      • down 2.5%
      • Even
      • up 2.5%
      • up 5%



×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.