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We could form a free trade area between England and Scotland.

I can't quite work out why free trade areas seem to get rights that seem to make the basic WTO rights for individual countries virtually worthless. I was quite looking forward to operating on the WTO basis, but it does start to sound as if it is something of a disadvantage.

It would be. Under WTO, as a third country, we couldn't apply specific tariffs to specific countries. If its 2% for Potatoes to Germany, its the same to Ghana or Australia. However, under WTO, the EU is known as a "regional trade area" whereby it can discriminate against third countries, but we could not.

So, the EU would apply the "common external tariff" to the UK, so it would charge us, say for Eggs, a tariff of 10%..that rate would be set as a default rate under the CEF, and there's not much we can do about it, unless we magic up a FTA with the EU.

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I think the average number of children families have is about 1.8, so without immigration our population would fall and jobs left unfilled. Particularly the low paid caring jobs, the ones unpopular and too low paid for most of us in the uk. It's true, being more entrepreneurial would generate wealth, but we still need low paid jobs filled.

The fewer people the fewer jobs would be needed. More people just means needing more people to do the jobs, play the "we need to import people to fill jobs" game and you're on the exponential growth path that we've been so foolishly and short-sightedly following.

A gradual population decrease would be the best thing that could possibly happen to the UK, far outweighing whatever meaningless economic costs it might have. Obviously not forever, but quality of life would be an awful lot better with half the number of people.

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I suspect that we are going through a revolution.

The working classes ( and by that I mean both the traditional working class and lower middle ) are utterly fed up with Metropolitan ********, whether it be PC or Health and safety, all are held in utter disdain.

The left are aghast at how the 'people' the 'masses' that they claim to speak for despise them.

Pressures have been building up for a long time.

This Muslim cleric recently jailed.

WHO allowed him to stay here for 20 years on benefits?

The idiot Blair, the gormless Brown? Hapless Cameron, Clueless Clegg?

Pitchforks may still be in abeyance, probably we will have a 1688 type bloodless revolution, but the UK is going to change, and radically.

WHY has May not instantly changed the benefit rules?

That would put the kybosh on Calais, and quiet many of the Brexit voters.

May could be on borrowed time, UKIP is waiting.

The Labour Party, for so long an important part of our constitution, heirs to Chartism, Peterloo, andTolpuddle etc. are now utterly ruined by 1970s Hippyism 'Peace and Love Man'

Lead by an honest man who fails to understand that while basic principles of truth and honesty are worth clinging to, political principles must change according to the wind.

National Socialism beckons.

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On 17/12/2015 at 12:00, spyguy said:

Again, along with the near miss (or hit, depending on your stance), another one of Gordie's genius ideas is blowing up the UK again.

Paying out tax credits to EU nationals has drawn in 10% of East Europe workforce, paying them a huge salary to hand wash cars, etc etc. Forcing up costs for the low paid natives, putting them out of jobs etc etc.

All down to that cretin Brown. Seriously, he's been out of power ~6 years and his 'great idea's' are still flying back to coup and dumping on the UK.

There's a BBC article on Camerons attempt to winkle out of the benefit payments:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35118036

Its always interesting to read the highest rated comments on HYS articles -they tend to be a good indication of what the nation is thinking.

A few years ago, 'UK out of EU' was a fringe opinion held by Colonels from Tunbridge Wells.

Now it appears to be the UK mainstream opinion, both left + right.

My opinion is they should scrap TCs ASAP. Introduce a contribution based welfare system like the rest of the EU.

Imagine the time, money and teeth gnashing that could have been save if the Pols and MSM had read my post ~5 years ago.

Labours current problem are not solely down to Corbin. Thats just a daft idiot trying apply failed solutions from the 1970s to todays problems.

Since 2000, Labour let ~15m mainly low paid or unemployed migrants come to  the UK to live totally or subbed by in work benefits.

The Cons did not address the issue in 2010 - upping TC hours, requiring 5 years NI contrib wed never be here..

 

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On 17/12/2015 at 12:00, spyguy said:

Again, along with the near miss (or hit, depending on your stance), another one of Gordie's genius ideas is blowing up the UK again.

Paying out tax credits to EU nationals has drawn in 10% of East Europe workforce, paying them a huge salary to hand wash cars, etc etc. Forcing up costs for the low paid natives, putting them out of jobs etc etc.

All down to that cretin Brown. Seriously, he's been out of power ~6 years and his 'great idea's' are still flying back to coup and dumping on the UK.

There's a BBC article on Camerons attempt to winkle out of the benefit payments:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35118036

Its always interesting to read the highest rated comments on HYS articles -they tend to be a good indication of what the nation is thinking.

A few years ago, 'UK out of EU' was a fringe opinion held by Colonels from Tunbridge Wells.

Now it appears to be the UK mainstream opinion, both left + right.

My opinion is they should scrap TCs ASAP. Introduce a contribution based welfare system like the rest of the EU.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51287430

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All the EU had to do (over 4 years ago) was to listen to the concerns of the majority of the British people and hand back some sovereignty and allow us to control the number of migrants from the EU.

Then the UK would probably have voted remain, and most would have been happy.

But they were too arrogant, wouldn't compromise on the 4 freedoms, took us for granted. so we voted leave

 

Not me.

But if people had read and understood my post of 4 years ago, written at a time when very very few people had heard the word Brexit.

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On 17/12/2015 at 12:00, spyguy said:

Again, along with the near miss (or hit, depending on your stance), another one of Gordie's genius ideas is blowing up the UK again.

Paying out tax credits to EU nationals has drawn in 10% of East Europe workforce, paying them a huge salary to hand wash cars, etc etc. Forcing up costs for the low paid natives, putting them out of jobs etc etc.

All down to that cretin Brown. Seriously, he's been out of power ~6 years and his 'great idea's' are still flying back to coup and dumping on the UK.

There's a BBC article on Camerons attempt to winkle out of the benefit payments:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35118036

Its always interesting to read the highest rated comments on HYS articles -they tend to be a good indication of what the nation is thinking.

A few years ago, 'UK out of EU' was a fringe opinion held by Colonels from Tunbridge Wells.

Now it appears to be the UK mainstream opinion, both left + right.

My opinion is they should scrap TCs ASAP. Introduce a contribution based welfare system like the rest of the EU.

Sooo .... 6 years after my post we finally get -

How many more EU nationals in UK than previously thought?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56846637

With a week to go until the deadline for EU nationals living in the UK to apply for settled status, it is clear that far more EU citizens have been living in the country than previous estimates suggested.

As of 31 May, the government had received 5.6 million applications for the post-Brexit scheme that allows EU nationals to continue living and working in the UK after the end of this month.

That is far higher than the official estimate when the scheme was fully opened in March 2019 that there were 3.7 million (non-Irish) EU nationals in the country.

About five million settlement applications came from England, just over quarter of a million from Scotland and about 92,000 each from Wales and Northern Ireland.

The latest figures for the scheme are broken down into numbers in each local authority in England and Wales. That allows us to make comparisons with the official estimates for the number of EU nationals in each local authority, to find out which areas those extra EU nationals are living in.

And despite the Scotland or Wales are open - Few ever went there. England has borne the brunt.

Just shows how useless the media and Pols are.

Anyone walking around any English town/area after ~2005 could see that the EE ascension has resulted in millions pour in, far higher than the 2m-3m Euers there were before.

After the EU crisis the EE were joined bya fwe million Italian, Spanish and Portuguese.

 

 

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