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The Brexit bunch had a shaky start but with some powerful voices. In the last week or so they have started to organise into a well oiled machine, potentially creating a supergroup as we speak, allowing them access to all the money & privilege that entails. Brexit's back on baby!

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I don't believe for a second the UK will vote to leave and, in the massively unlikely event that it does, I don't believe it will be allowed to go just like that. There will be years of wrangling and threats along with repeat referenda on re-joining on 'better' terms. The Germans need us to buy their cars, the French need us to buy their wine and the Spanish need somewhere for their trawlers to go.

And the UK needs a currency that is worth enough to be able to continue buying the stuff the EU produces.

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The Brexit bunch had a shaky start but with some powerful voices. In the last week or so they have started to organise into a well oiled machine, potentially creating a supergroup as we speak, allowing them access to all the money & privilege that entails. Brexit's back on baby!

Who are you kidding?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-35501298

The out campaign makes this lot look like professionals:

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If you lived in Dover then I guess you might think differently, unless you fancied having the Jungle next door. There is little doubt that if the UK chose Brexit then the French would rip up the treaty that allows the UK to check vehicles on their side of the Channel. There would be no reason for the French to continue with an arrangement that benefits the UK and does nothing for them. If you were a French politician would you argue for a treaty that benefits a non EU country that results in thousands of migrants being camped outside Calais? Much easier to scrap the treaty and have the camps in the UK.

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If you lived in Dover then I guess you might think differently, unless you fancied having the Jungle next door. There is little doubt that if the UK chose Brexit then the French would rip up the treaty that allows the UK to check vehicles on their side of the Channel. There would be no reason for the French to continue with an arrangement that benefits the UK and does nothing for them. If you were a French politician would you argue for a treaty that benefits a non EU country that results in thousands of migrants being camped outside Calais? Much easier to scrap the treaty and have the camps in the UK.

Almost verbatim what Damian Green MP said on Sky News, much to the amusement of Dermot Murnaghan :D.

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If you lived in Dover then I guess you might think differently, unless you fancied having the Jungle next door. There is little doubt that if the UK chose Brexit then the French would rip up the treaty that allows the UK to check vehicles on their side of the Channel. There would be no reason for the French to continue with an arrangement that benefits the UK and does nothing for them. If you were a French politician would you argue for a treaty that benefits a non EU country that results in thousands of migrants being camped outside Calais? Much easier to scrap the treaty and have the camps in the UK.

Why are you so keen to have the UK stay in Europe, when you seem to hate us so much?

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Has Cameron just given his word ;) that on Brexit total eu immigration from now on will be limited to the numbers right now in the "jungle". A once and for all intake.

Even fewer than his "tens of thousands".

Instead of the record annual numbers last year under his government.

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Why are you so keen to have the UK stay in Europe, when you seem to hate us so much?

Disliking a section of the UK population is not the same as disliking the UK. Like many I would like to see the UK return to how it used to be not how it is. That has nothing to do with leaving the EU but everything to do with exiting the UK that has become the narrow minded country of Murdoch, the Daily Mail and UKIP.

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If you lived in Dover then I guess you might think differently, unless you fancied having the Jungle next door. There is little doubt that if the UK chose Brexit then the French would rip up the treaty that allows the UK to check vehicles on their side of the Channel. There would be no reason for the French to continue with an arrangement that benefits the UK and does nothing for them. If you were a French politician would you argue for a treaty that benefits a non EU country that results in thousands of migrants being camped outside Calais? Much easier to scrap the treaty and have the camps in the UK.

You don't half talk some old tosh.

1. The border checks in France is subject to an Anglo/French agreement nothing whatsoever to do with the EU or Brussels.

2. Even if the French were to take this unprecedented step (which would be counted with a response like refusing berth space in Dover to their ferries) then the obligation to check would fall on on the ferry operators much as it does today with the airlines. If any do get across then the firms would face huge fines but more importantly and with control of our own immigration policy and borders they would immediately be returned to the place of safety from which they left.

Cameron is scaremongering. Clearly he is getting very worried the vote is not going to go his way....

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You don't half talk some old tosh.

1. The border checks in France is subject to an Anglo/French agreement nothing whatsoever to do with the EU or Brussels.

2. Even if the French were to take this unprecedented step (which would be counted with a response like refusing berth space in Dover to their ferries) then the obligation to check would fall on on the ferry operators much as it does today with the airlines. If any do get across then the firms would face huge fines but more importantly and with control of our own immigration policy and borders they would immediately be returned to the place of safety from which they left.

Cameron is scaremongering. Clearly he is getting very worried the vote is not going to go his way....

1. Why would the French keep the border checks going if the UK is not in the EU? What is in it for them?

2. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK would effectively stop all imports and exports accross the Channel if the ferry operators didn't agree to the UK's demands? Returning people from whence they came is not so easy. Just ask the Greeks.

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1. Why would the French keep the border checks going if the UK is not in the EU? What is in it for them?

2. Are you seriously suggesting that the UK would effectively stop all imports and exports accross the Channel if the ferry operators didn't agree to the UK's demands? Returning people from whence they came is not so easy. Just ask the Greeks.

1. Obligations under the existing agreements.

2. International Law.

France is a safe country. Ferry Operators have to exist and operate under the law. They already need to check ticketing details of everyone who boards what problem would it be to include a personal document check. If they allowed illegals on and they were turned round at Dover and the French wouldn't let them back off again then it is them up the creek without a paddle, stuck with a load of migrants no one wants. Believe me they would learn to adapt very quickly.

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