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My mum always said "he is very nice looking for a black man" back in the racist 60s! :blink:

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My mum always said "he is very nice looking for a black man" back in the racist 60s! :blink:

She sounds a little bit naughty :)

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She sounds a little bit naughty :)

I think she was! :blink: Ended up with my dad. Irish, next best thing to being black back then! :wacko:

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I suspect that a lot of ladies got a great deal of pleasure out of watching Ali in his boxing shorts, sweating and his skin glistening. Must have been a bizarre turn-on for many a white lady from the southern US states in the 1960s.

Joking aside, I don't recall any stories of him dating famous models, actresses, etc, etc. Today he probably would has a harem of white ladies ha going on to every word he says. Maybe it was just not done in the 1960s - well, a few white actresses got into a lot of trouble about dating black men at the time.

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The gorgeous Jean Seberg was one - allegedly the FBI set out to destroy her career and her. They succeeded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Seberg#Death

The gorgeous Kim Novak was another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Novak#Personal_life

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Is it just me who wasn't a fan ? Never met the guy so I am only going by what I've seen on TV of course.

He seemed like an arrogant tool who only got away with it because his boxing skills were superb and he had a lot of charm.

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Boxing was never quite the same after he retired. It went back to being 'brutal'.

Spot on for heavyweight boxing. Apart from Ali, and in a very different way Tyson (Mike, not the tedious one), every fight is two enormous blokes wandering slowly around the ring trying to out-defend the other.

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Is it just me who wasn't a fan ? Never met the guy so I am only going by what I've seen on TV of course.

He seemed like an arrogant tool who only got away with it because his boxing skills were superb and he had a lot of charm.

I suspect there were a few ole' boys in the southern USA states who didn't like him also. He probably came up in discussion at their weekly pillow case on the head meetings.

Nah, no doubt you are not alone. I hear what you are saying. Those Michael Parkinson interviews are fascinating but, yes, he probably got away with it just because of who he was. But then that is true of loads of celebs then and now. Don't forget, he was a black man speaking up and saying things that, at the time, were very uncomfortable for a great many people in the USA.

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Is it just me who wasn't a fan ? Never met the guy so I am only going by what I've seen on TV of course.

He seemed like an arrogant tool who only got away with it because his boxing skills were superb and he had a lot of charm.

I like people who come out with some outrageous stuff rather than all the tired cliches that the safe boring Gary Lineker types trot out on cue.

Ali and, from the same era and somebody with whom he verbally sparred, Brian Clough would have been always worth watching. And they were often funny.

I can't really think of anybody since like that in sport, they're all so dull.

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I like people who come out with some outrageous stuff rather than all the tired cliches that the safe boring Gary Lineker types trot out on cue.

Ali and, from the same era and somebody with whom he verbally sparred, Brian Clough would have been always worth watching. And they were often funny.

I can't really think of anybody since like that in sport, they're all so dull.

I totally agree. The sporting world needs more people like that.

I also think he was a dick though.

They're not mutually exclusive.

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I suspect that a lot of ladies got a great deal of pleasure out of watching Ali in his boxing shorts, sweating and his skin glistening. Must have been a bizarre turn-on for many a white lady from the southern US states in the 1960s.

Joking aside, I don't recall any stories of him dating famous models, actresses, etc, etc. Today he probably would has a harem of white ladies ha going on to every word he says. Maybe it was just not done in the 1960s - well, a few white actresses got into a lot of trouble about dating black men at the time.

Edit:

The gorgeous Jean Seberg was one - allegedly the FBI set out to destroy her career and her. They succeeded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Seberg#Death

The gorgeous Kim Novak was another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Novak#Personal_life

Shows you how naive I am. The Mail now has an article about him being a serial adulterer.

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Knew nothing about the death of Jean Seberg TMT. Au bout de soufle where she plays alongside Jean Paul Belmondo is one of my favourite films.

Yes, one of my favourite actresses. I had a huge crush on her as a kid when I first saw her in the first 'Airport' movie.

Clearly, for whatever reasons, she was attracted to black men and, well, it is hard now to tell what is fact and what are lies concerning her early death. Certainly, in the US in the 1960s there were powerful people who simply intended that white Hollywood actresses simply could not be in any kind of relationship with men of colour.

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Boxing was never quite the same after he retired. It went back to being 'brutal'.

It was brutal enough for a lot of his boxing career.

Early in his career Ali was remarkable for his speed on his feet as a heavyweight which protected him from taking too much punishment. That aspect of his style was much more like a middle weight boxer. After his jail term for refusing to be drafted in the army to serve in Vietnam he was out of the ring for an extended period of 3 years which robbed him of his potential peak period as an athlete. When he came back he was never quite the same. He won back the World Heavyweight title but the fights against Joe Frazier and George Foreman were as hard as any boxer could face. He took far too much punishment later in his career and like so many ex champions fought far too long with the inevitable consequences later in life. Many of those in his entourage and his family who claimed to be his supporters also bled him financially for a lot of his life.

With regard to his supposed arrogance I think most of that was that was all just part of the spiel required to hype up his fights. His resistance to the Vietnam war, however, was no pose. It must have taken a lot of courage as a black man to stand up to the US authorities in the 1960s. Certainly it did not benefit himself career wise or financially.

Ali's tragedy was that for all his talent, non conformity and bravery both in and out of the ring he suffered the classic fate of all boxing champions who fail to quit at the right time.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/04/muhammad-ali-sp-fighter-joker-magician

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In terms of consequences in later life - is it not true that boxing had nothing to do with his Parkinson's - purely hereditary no ?

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BTW I'm sure I've asked this before - do the BBC make pieces up before people die in advance ?

This morning they had a smoothly made narrated Ali piece literally within minutes.

I know someone on here used to work for the BBC and commented previously but can't remember who.

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In terms of consequences in later life - is it not true that boxing had nothing to do with his Parkinson's - purely hereditary no ?

I think you would need to ask that question of a doctor specialising in the field who has no connection with boxing.

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I think you would need to ask that question of a doctor specialising in the field who has no connection with boxing.

It's been said numerous times on TV. I have just assumed they know what they're talking about.

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BTW I'm sure I've asked this before - do the BBC make pieces up before people die in advance ?

This morning they had a smoothly made narrated Ali piece literally within minutes.

I know someone on here used to work for the BBC and commented previously but can't remember who.

Yep, they have a department. They have ready to go obits for a whole host of the rich and the famous. I got involved in making some for ITV back in the 90s.

Most major news organisations either prepare stuff or are able to buy in stuff quickly. The problem nowadays, with seemingly everyone being famous, is that there is not enough time and money to do justice to all. Hence why you often hear of a famous person dying and then wondering why they got little coverage.

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