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Gove did much better than pudding face, he is pretty good at the debating stuff, he had Faisal rocking back on his heels most of the time. The problem is none of them really know what will happen if we leave, but the good news is that the EZ is f*ucked anyway whatever happens in the referendum.

Yes it's a moot point. I was a bit pi$$ed off that he couldn't get his point across without some dick butting in and derailing the reply. At one point he was trying to point out that they weren't an alternative government, that they were only interested in brexit and that it would be up to the government to decide what brexit would look like... and no body got it, some slur about 'see you can't say what it will even look like!'. Well that's not brexits remit is it.

The disgusting use of the war and the trenches, about going over the top and what will happen. He could have asked "Who were manning the machine guns on the other side of the trenches?", but didn't because people would lose their minds. A pure case of political correctness moving the argument against it's merits for no other reason than it's politically incorrect to propose it.

It is disappointing that more international agencies aren't for brexit, but then they are all part of the globalist, self serving, eleitist scum that roam around the world with no accountability.

But yes, the EU if f**ked, It's only a matter of time. :-D

edit for loose/lose... eeek!

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Yes it's a moot point. I was a bit pi$$ed off that he couldn't get his point across without some dick butting in and derailing the reply. At one point he was trying to point out that they weren't an alternative government, that they were only interested in brexit and that it would be up to the government to decide what brexit would look like... and no body got it, some slur about 'see you can't say what it will even look like!'. Well that's not brexits remit is it.

The disgusting use of the war and the trenches, about going over the top and what will happen. He could have asked "Who were manning the machine guns on the other side of the trenches?", but didn't because people would lose their minds. A pure case of political correctness moving the argument against it's merits for no other reason than it's politically incorrect to propose it.

It is disappointing that more international agencies aren't for brexit, but then they are all part of the globalist, self serving, eleitist scum that roam around the world with no accountability.

But yes, the EU if f**ked, It's only a matter of time. :-D

edit for loose/lose... eeek!

It would be good if they could come up with an answer to that - maybe something along the lines that it would look something like the arrangement that people voted for in 1975 - more to do with trade than transfer of sovereignty and rule by an overseas regime as overseas rule was total and utter anathema to British people when they voted in 1975 and likely it still is. There are plenty of other similar answers they could come up with.

For goodness sake the UK was able to compete with the US on plenty of stuff before it entered the Common Market and now since entry it's decaying into a country apparently with leaders so weak that inside the eu they're even struggling to obtain concessions from relatively small countries like Poland etc.

Vote OUT.

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It would be good if they could come up with an answer to that - maybe something along the lines that it would look something like the arrangement that people voted for in 1975 - more to do with trade than transfer of sovereignty and rule by an overseas regime as overseas rule was total and utter anathema to British people when they voted in 1975 and likely it still is. There are plenty of other similar answers they could come up with.

For goodness sake the UK was able to compete with the US on plenty of stuff before it entered the Common Market and now since entry it's decaying into a country apparently with leaders so weak that they're even struggling to obtain concessions from relatively small countries like Poland etc.

Vote OUT.

There's also a point i have never seen made by brexit , and that is why is it the only countries that seem to be knocking on the EU`s door asking to join the club are there with a begging bowl in their hands

None of the small prosperous nations are interested yet they are working on the periphery and doing very well ,you only have to look at the most recent members to see it's fast becoming the welfare state for poor nations

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It would be good if they could come up with an answer to that - maybe something along the lines that it would look something like the arrangement that people voted for in 1975 - more to do with trade than transfer of sovereignty and rule by an overseas regime as overseas rule was total and utter anathema to British people when they voted in 1975 and likely it still is. There are plenty of other similar answers they could come up with.

For goodness sake the UK was able to compete with the US on plenty of stuff before it entered the Common Market and now since entry it's decaying into a country apparently with leaders so weak that they're even struggling to obtain concessions from relatively small countries like Poland etc.

Vote OUT.

People trade oil with isis. Is that because they are part of a political union and have a voice in the nation states that they trade with? Erm... no. It's because they have oil and want money and we have the money and want oil. That's trade. Pure and simple.

Then we have political trade. Yes we will buy your oil, but you have to stop killing the infidel. Using trade to exercise political power.

The EU is political trade, do this or we won't trade. That's why project fear has something to back it up, it's true! To use this as an argument to stay in is actually to be against real trade and to be for political coercion, bribery, theft and dishonesty.

That's why whenever you hear anybody talking up the remain viewpoint they look at their feet and talk into their chest.

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Bloomberg ‏@business 1h1 hour ago

BREAKING: JPMorgan may cut "as many as 4,000 jobs" if #Brexit happens, CEO Jamie Dimon says http://bloom.bg/1XVjsMF

good for Osbornes "rebalancing"

...JP Morgan is hardly British industry, which has almost disappeared since we joined 'the market ....this is about democracy for the people ..denied possibly, it appears in the last election...focus on the real issues ...not the views of meddlers.... :rolleyes:

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... At one point he was trying to point out that they weren't an alternative government, that they were only interested in brexit and that it would be up to the government to decide what brexit would look like... and no body got it, some slur about 'see you can't say what it will even look like!'. Well that's not brexits remit is it. ...

I suspect Gove would have gone on to say, albeit more eloquently, "Are you surprised that HMT have not shared the UK's economic plan for Brexit?"

I am surprised that Vote Leave has not made more of a noise about HMT's sequestration to the Remain side.

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I suspect Gove would have gone on to say, albeit more eloquently, "Are you surprised that HMT have not shared the UK's economic plan for Brexit?"

I am surprised that Vote Leave has not made more of a noise about HMT's sequestration to the Remain side.

Yes thats a good point ,but have they not already "given" their opinion on Brexit ...doom and gloom..... so asking for what they plan to do in the event of it happening at this stage could end up being a spectacular own goal

Brexit have the same problem when it comes to a lot of important questions ,i think this is the reason there's so much crap flying about from both sides

I still see it all coming down to immigration when people actually tick the box everything else is just seen as speculation now from both sides apart from immigration which cannot be denied

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Yes thats a good point ,but have they not already "given" their opinion on Brexit ...doom and gloom..... so asking for what they plan to do in the event of it happening at this stage could end up being a spectacular own goal

Brexit have the same problem when it comes to a lot of important questions ,i think this is the reason there's so much crap flying about from both sides

I still see it all coming down to immigration when people actually tick the box everything else is just seen as speculation now from both sides apart from immigration which cannot be denied

Yes, true, but Gove should have emphasised that HMT fall under Cameron and the Remain campaign and they are hardly likely to put the best case forward for Brexit.

Agree uncontrolled immigration is a key factor and the daily news provides constant reinforcement of the issues. IMHO Vote Leave will need to to keep working on the Control meme, with clear, positive outcomes, to broaden their share of the vote e.g.

Control of borders to ensure the UK provides high standards of housing, education and NHS care to successful immigrants and refugees.

Control of democracy, planning & trade deals, etc.

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There's also a point i have never seen made by brexit , and that is why is it the only countries that seem to be knocking on the EU`s door asking to join the club are there with a begging bowl in their hands

None of the small prosperous nations are interested yet they are working on the periphery and doing very well ,you only have to look at the most recent members to see it's fast becoming the welfare state for poor nations

A good point and emphasizes why the EU needs the UK to remain - they need more NET payers IN to the system not fewer!

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A good point and emphasizes why the EU needs the UK to remain - they need more NET payers IN to the system not fewer!

Our rebate is only going to become smaller over time it`s that simple

There's one question that i cannot believe has not been asked concerning the economic impact argument which should be directed at Cameron for the greatest impact, and that is you decided to to call this referendum there's two possible outcomes so if the vote is for leave what are your plans concerning trade deals (resigning is not an option)

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Our rebate is only going to become smaller over time it`s that simple

There's one question that i cannot believe has not been asked concerning the economic impact argument which should be directed at Cameron for the greatest impact, and that is you decided to to call this referendum there's two possible outcomes so if the vote is for leave what are your plans concerning trade deals (resigning is not an option)

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