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Everyone always says how much friendlier and happier people up north are, but some of the specific places sound like hell holes. Was just looking at Warrington (as it was on huth this morning) and found this guide. Amused me.

http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Workington/Cumbria/Northern-England/info/worstthings

my experience is that people up north are mòre friendly and chatty. When i challenged a local they told me that its a tactic to keep you busy while their mates make off with your wheels

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Its quite old that site. A lot of the stuff was written in the early 2000s. Some of the towns local to me were quite lively/had a lot of nightlife 10/15 years back. Now mostly ghost towns after dark. Also, the ubiquitous 'its full of chavs' doesnt seem to apply as much anymore. Fewer and fewer chavs, more and more begging gyspies/pickpocket gangs.

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Where are the chavs now? Working zero hour contracts? Or have they died out?

I've pondered on where all the yob violence and ASBO Britain has disappeared to, seemingly without government intervention. My suspicion is it has mostly been dispersed into hankies, these days, courtesy of internet porn.

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...and computer gaming. I think a lot of young 'uns simply don't leave their room anymore.

The North being friendlier? Not necessarily my experience - and depends which North. North of Watford is a big old place.

Try being a mixed race couple in West Yorkshire to see how friendly and welcoming the North is (i.e. not at all). Always found the north Welsh and Scots to be friendly though. Ditto Newcastle. Midlands not so much. London actually quite friendly if you manage to get to know a few people/neighbours.

But no doubt someone will have had a completely different experience of the same places. You can find nice people, and grumpy sods everywhere I reckon.

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...and computer gaming. I think a lot of young 'uns simply don't leave their room anymore.

The North being friendlier? Not necessarily my experience - and depends which North. North of Watford is a big old place.

Try being a mixed race couple in West Yorkshire to see how friendly and welcoming the North is (i.e. not at all). Always found the north Welsh and Scots to be friendly though. Ditto Newcastle. Midlands not so much. London actually quite friendly if you manage to get to know a few people/neighbours.

But no doubt someone will have had a completely different experience of the same places. You can find nice people, and grumpy sods everywhere I reckon.

Someone once described the north as being full of racists of every imaginable colour and religion which from my experience of places like Bradford probably sums it up pretty well. Having said that I quite liked living in South Yorkshire when I was younger. Never really liked the Midlands from the year I spent there though one of the nicest people I know is a Brummie.

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You can find nice people, and grumpy sods everywhere I reckon.

True in every workplace, club, organisation, town, city and country my friend. It even holds true down to the macro level.

In my house for example, Mrs XYY is lovely, the budgies chirp far too much and crap all over the place, and the cat climbs the curtains and scratches my expensive leather office chair to bits.

Me? I'm just a miserable old get who hates everyone...

;)

XYY

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But no doubt someone will have had a completely different experience of the same places. You can find nice people, and grumpy sods everywhere I reckon.

Lived in Liverpool for several years.

On the one hand - I've never seen so many scumbags. House was broken into 3 (?) times. Car broken into once, vandalised 3 or 4 times. City centre was full of 'scallies' and 'bagheads'.

On the other hand - 'nice' Liverpudlians are true friends. They will be there for you no matter what happens.

My point being: If I had stayed in Liverpool for just a month, I would have come away with a very negative impression of the city - I'd have seen the scum, but not the friends.

it's never all black or all white. Each region has a mix of people, and if you stay for only a few days you will never get a real feel for the place. Making comparisons between different parts of the country is hard.

That said - most Southerners are UKIP-friendly smug boomers. Londoners are GROLIs. And several of the towns between Manchester and Liverpool (St Helens, Wigan, Skelmersdale, Warrington) are simply awful :P

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I looked at quite a few places, north and south, and most have loads of negative comments, but Cumbria is definitely tops for comedy gold. The comments all seem to be written by illiterate teenagers and school dropouts, whereas most other places have a proportion of intelligent comments. It must be something do do with the isolation, the relatively small sizes of the towns, and the fact that thee are so few proper jobs.

Funnily enough, one of the worst/funniest from southern England was Brighton. Not in the same class though.

edit, oh, here's brighton. The navigation on that site is crap.

http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Brighton/East-Sussex/South-East-England/info/worstthings

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I looked at quite a few places, north and south, and most have loads of negative comments, but Cumbria is definitely tops for comedy gold. The comments all seem to be written by illiterate teenagers and school dropouts, whereas most other places have a proportion of intelligent comments. It must be something do do with the isolation, the relatively small sizes of the towns, and the fact that thee are so few proper jobs.

Funnily enough, one of the worst/funniest from southern England was Brighton. Not in the same class though.

Cumbria, or West Cumbria? Big important difference there. In the Workington example there are occasional hints of dialect amongst the semi-literacy which may affect the appearence (very, very slightly).

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Lived in Blackpool for a few years.

Generally mostly safe, people mostly friendly.

Unless you have some minor difference of opinion over something trivial which can escalate surprisingly rapidly.

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There's some seriously deprived industrial towns isolated on the far coast of Cumbria like Workington and Whitehaven. Working class, formerly based on coal and steel. Unlike other more accessible places they do not seem to be transferring to alternative industries as in a Manchester or Leeds.

Yet they are not far from some of the most beautiful countryside in the UK.

"Good heavens!" I cried. "Who would associate crime with these dear old homesteads?"

"They always fill me with a certain horror. It is my belief, Watson, founded upon my experience, that the lowest and vilest alleys in London do not present a more dreadful record of sin than does the smiling and beautiful countryside."

"You horrify me!"

"But the reason is very obvious. The pressure of public opinion can do in the town what the law cannot accomplish. There is no lane so vile that the scream of a tortured child, or the thud of a drunkard's blow, does not beget sympathy and indignation among the neighbours, and then the whole machinery of justice is ever so close that a word of complaint can set it going, and there is but a step between the crime and the dock. But look at these lonely houses, each in its own fields, filled for the most part with poor ignorant folk who know little of the law. Think of the deeds of hellish cruelty, the hidden wickedness which may go on, year in, year out, in such places, and none the wiser."

- The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes (1892)

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Funny thing about that Holmes quote is that it's pretty much the reverse these days. No sense of community left in cities, no-one having a clue about what their neighbours get up to, no social pressure not to be scum.

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Its quite old that site. A lot of the stuff was written in the early 2000s. Some of the towns local to me were quite lively/had a lot of nightlife 10/15 years back. Now mostly ghost towns after dark. Also, the ubiquitous 'its full of chavs' doesnt seem to apply as much anymore. Fewer and fewer chavs, more and more begging gyspies/pickpocket gangs.

http://www.knowhere.co.uk/Oldham/Greater-Manchester/Northern-England/info/worstthings

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