Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 I haven't read all the thread but I don't think that Si 'rested his trolley' on the paintwork of an expensive car, in fact no scratches were evident on the motor. If it had been so, I would suggest that the car was not fit for purpose - i.e. driving around town and going to the supermarket. Thankyou. But I do now realise just how personally people take this and what I was psychologically missing, and I shall avoid this action in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thombleached Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I think what si1's done is point out the irrational relationship most people (predominately in the west) have with their cars. Mainly due to the relative status we attempt to present to the world based on our car of choice. But to answer the question, seems like their are multiple permutations based on: Age of car Badge Finance/owned/hire Use of the vehicle If you rested your trolley on my wife's 03 Corolla which I sometimes take out I wouldn't give a shit. But she'd probably go beserk (she loves that car!) If I'd just gone out and bought a merc or some other premium badge I'd probably be a bit peeved. I had quite a nice Lexus that had 160k miles on it when I got rid and if you'd have done that when I first bought it if be a bit peeved but had you done it after 7 years of ownership when it had a fair few scuffs, stone chips, scratches etc I wouldn't have batted an eyelid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigj Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 It was a chuffing 10 year old Hyundai ferchrissake, f#ck me Your presumption that *you* know what *my* car is worth to *me* annoys me. On one hand there are the drivers taking multiple spaces to defensively protect their vehicles and on the other there are those like the OP. All this just reinforces my strong desire to avoid all human contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Your presumption that *you* know what *my* car is worth to *me* annoys me. On one hand there are the drivers taking multiple spaces to defensively protect their vehicles and on the other there are those like the OP. All this just reinforces my strong desire to avoid all human contact. I Didn't Scratch Anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19 year mortgage 8itch Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I Didn't Scratch Anything First world problems, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qetesuesi Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Your presumption that *you* know what *my* car is worth to *me* annoys me. On one hand there are the drivers taking multiple spaces to defensively protect their vehicles and on the other there are those like the OP. All this just reinforces my strong desire to avoid all human contact. It should also reinforce a strong desire for DCs to take over and eliminate all this sort of garbage once and for all. Checked into this forum yesterday evening and was frankly shocked to find this thread popped up since the morning and already seven pages long! What absolute obsessions some small-minded people have. Something's badly wrong. To reiterate: mature DC technology will close down all car parks, and retire the very concept of "parking". It will also by and large do away with the idea of "car ownership", which will be as bizarre as private individual bus ownership or train ownership are today. And with it will go the entire lumpenkultur that's built up around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I Didn't Scratch Anything That;s good to hear If you do leave a scratch, will you wait and give your details for where to send the repair/respray invoice, + a courtesy car + time for the owner to get quotes + take to garage + pick up from garage etc I'm not a car facist - I drive an 12 year old mini. I still don't want to see it scratched, but I wouldn't make a federal case about it, but why should what I own risk damage because you want to interact with it without my permission You didn't scratch it, and I do believe you, but the person who had a go at you doesn't know you're: i) very careful and not likely to scratch (although there is always the possibility) ii) very decent and prepared to leave billing details if you do scratch it The other person may well have overreacted - that's not good You could always leave other people's property alone - for me this has more to do with lack of respect for each other than the possibility of a scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 That;s good to hear If you do leave a scratch, will you wait and give your details for where to send the repair/respray invoice, + a courtesy car + time for the owner to get quotes + take to garage + pick up from garage etc I'm not a car facist - I drive an 12 year old mini. I still don't want to see it scratched, but I wouldn't make a federal case about it, but why should what I own risk damage because you want to interact with it without my permission You didn't scratch it, and I do believe you, but the person who had a go at you doesn't know you're: i) very careful and not likely to scratch (although there is always the possibility) ii) very decent and prepared to leave billing details if you do scratch it The other person may well have overreacted - that's not good You could always leave other people's property alone - for me this has more to do with lack of respect for each other than the possibility of a scratch Minor scratches don't need a respray, they need a polish.A busy supermarket car park on a Saturday morning has no spare space for anything. Well this one doesn't at any rate. I had a choice of (a) leaving the trolley in the car park traffic lane thus blocking the slow cars going round the car park out (b ) gently resting it against a car bumper. That was 2 choices. In future I'll block the traffic. And yes I offered my name and address and suggested they get a quote and post it to me, presumably from a psychiatrist to help with the personal trauma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StainlessSteelCat Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 It should also reinforce a strong desire for DCs to take over and eliminate all this sort of garbage once and for all. Checked into this forum yesterday evening and was frankly shocked to find this thread popped up since the morning and already seven pages long! What absolute obsessions some small-minded people have. Something's badly wrong. To reiterate: mature DC technology will close down all car parks, and retire the very concept of "parking". It will also by and large do away with the idea of "car ownership", which will be as bizarre as private individual bus ownership or train ownership are today. And with it will go the entire lumpenkultur that's built up around it. This. And not before time. Private car ownership is such a waste of time and money for all involved - and for something that spends 90+% of its time sitting idle. Add in the stress of worrying about whether some **** (not Si) in a carpark is going to rest their trolley against your car - and it doesn't seem worse the aggro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigj Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Minor scratches don't need a respray, they need a polish. A busy supermarket car park on a Saturday morning has no spare space for anything. Well this one doesn't at any rate. I had a choice of (a) leaving the trolley in the car park traffic lane thus blocking the slow cars going round the car park out (b ) gently resting it against a car bumper. That was 2 choices. In future I'll block the traffic. And yes I offered my name and address and suggested they get a quote and post it to me, presumably from a psychiatrist to help with the personal trauma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Minor scratches don't need a respray, they need a polish. A busy supermarket car park on a Saturday morning has no spare space for anything. Well this one doesn't at any rate. I had a choice of (a) leaving the trolley in the car park traffic lane thus blocking the slow cars going round the car park out (b ) gently resting it against a car bumper. That was 2 choices. In future I'll block the traffic. And yes I offered my name and address and suggested they get a quote and post it to me, presumably from a psychiatrist to help with the personal trauma. Didn't realise you're a panel beater and paintwork expert why don't you just leave other people's sh!t alone and then none of this will happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecrashingisles Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 why don't you just leave other people's sh!t alone and then none of this will happen Wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigj Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 Minor scratches don't need a respray, they need a polish. A busy supermarket car park on a Saturday morning has no spare space for anything. Well this one doesn't at any rate. I had a choice of (a) leaving the trolley in the car park traffic lane thus blocking the slow cars going round the car park out (b ) gently resting it against a car bumper. That was 2 choices. In future I'll block the traffic. And yes I offered my name and address and suggested they get a quote and post it to me, presumably from a psychiatrist to help with the personal trauma. You are either trolling or in some weird state of denial. The question was about reasonableness of touching someone else's property. Some people it seems wouldn't mind; but others havd quite clearly said they would *and they have no obligation to explain why*. So there's your answer - don't do it. Why the insistence on defending it? Unless, as I hope, you really are trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 You are either trolling or in some weird state of denial. The question was about reasonableness of touching someone else's property. Some people it seems wouldn't mind; but others havd quite clearly said they would *and they have no obligation to explain why*. So there's your answer - don't do it. Why the insistence on defending it? Unless, as I hope, you really are trolling. How far does your argument extend? To the clothes in wearing when sitting on the bus? To my garden fence? I'd suggest that if someone is strictly opposed to others interacting with their property (as opposed to abusing) then it is they who should avoid supermarket car parks. I'm very much with the people who value their cars sufficiently to find a quiet parking space with nobody nearby, that's clear. As I said I'll block the traffic in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Didn't realise you're a panel beater and paintwork expert And I didn't realise you were a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 And I didn't realise you were a moron. Didn't realise you have no concept of property rights It's rather rich to excuse your damage to someone's property by suggesting the cheapest and easiest way to repair said damage keep fecking with other peoples things and see how well you get on in life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 How far does your argument extend? To the clothes in wearing when sitting on the bus? To my garden fence? I'd suggest that if someone is strictly opposed to others interacting with their property (as opposed to abusing) then it is they who should avoid supermarket car parks. I'm very much with the people who value their cars sufficiently to find a quiet parking space with nobody nearby, that's clear. As I said I'll block the traffic in future. Or do as I suggested, use some rope, or a bungee, to securely lash the trolley to your own car. Job jobbed! And I didn't realise you were a moron. Not nice . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Or do as I suggested, use some rope, or a bungee, to securely lash the trolley to your own car. Job jobbed! You know what, that'sa fair point, apologies for not giving it more thought before. I'll get me a bungee and have a go. Genuinely. Not nice . But justified against the use of a logical fallacy. The other poster treated me like an idiot first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
workingpoor Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I was over the moon when Tesco's introduced the £1 coin deposit to access the trolleys, this ensure's "Mr Toad" takes his trolley back to the trolley shed to reclaim his pound and doesn't leave it behind his car when he drives away or leave it to roll off into someone else's motor. Probably did a few trolley collectors out of a job though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Didn't realise you have no concept of property rights It's rather rich to excuse your damage to someone's property by suggesting the cheapest and easiest way to repair said damage keep fecking with other peoples things and see how well you get on in life Well it will at least save me the embarrassment of asking someone to panel beat a fibre glass bumper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knock out johnny Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 You know what, that'sa fair point, apologies for not giving it more thought before. I'll get me a bungee and have a go. Genuinely. But justified against the use of a logical fallacy. The other poster treated me like an idiot first. Of course I did, you seem to think it perfectly acceptable to disregard other peoples property rights because you are otherwise incapable of unloading a shopping trolley and then went to further justify the possible damage that may ensue by suggesting how to repair it that is the behaviour of an idiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Banner Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 You know what, that'sa fair point, apologies for not giving it more thought before. I'll get me a bungee and have a go. Genuinely. You could buy a couple of eye bolts and bolt them to your rear wing panels on each side giving you something to clip your bungee on whichever side is best at the time. Easy job, all you need is a couple of sturdy eye bolts, a suitable drill and a spanner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPin Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 You could buy a couple of eye bolts and bolt them to your rear wing panels on each side giving you something to clip your bungee on whichever side is best at the time. Easy job, all you need is a couple of sturdy eye bolts, a suitable drill and a spanner. That is a religious device known to pharoahs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 Of course I did, you seem to think it perfectly acceptable to disregard other peoples property rights because you are otherwise incapable of unloading a shopping trolley There is nowhere, anywhere, in the British constitution or laws, I'm pretty sure, that says it's against the law to touch someone else's car when it's left in a public place, except of course if it is without due care to avoid damage. There are no rights to it at all. You are talking about property rights where in this case none exist. However, there is common decency to consider other people's feelings, and I failed that one, I honestly didn't realise how passionately people feel about their cars. So I will amend my ways. However it's got nothing to do with rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si1 Posted May 29, 2016 Author Share Posted May 29, 2016 You could buy a couple of eye bolts and bolt them to your rear wing panels on each side giving you something to clip your bungee on whichever side is best at the time. Easy job, all you need is a couple of sturdy eye bolts, a suitable drill and a spanner. I initially thought I would perhaps hook it took something existing inside the rear hatch, but no I'll attach external screws, excellent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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