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In The U.s. And Abroad, More Young Adults Are Living With Their Parents

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Is it not the case of a reversion to mean?

A (Western) world with everybody enjoying their own house and having all the mod-cons, luxuries and liberty is not feasible.

We live in a world built on cheap energy and very cheap foreign labour/production that simply does not exist anymore.

And the world population has doubled in the 'boomer' generation.

Hence why standards are collapsing all across the Western geo-political hemisphere.

Point is that it's not going to get any better, ever, unless there is a massive population die-off.

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Edited by cashinmattress

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/10909403/British-homes-are-the-smallest-in-Europe-study-finds.html

British homes are the smallest in Europe, study finds

Houses in Britain have less space than in any other European country, new research shows

Cramped living conditions must mean young people in the UK are encouraged to find their own place.

Homes are made smaller and smaller to try to accommodate them.

Edited by billybong

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I understand the "world population is growing" argument but there is also another side to look at:

  • hardly any of the world has been built on
  • practically free energy from natural renewal resources - wind, solar, thermal, hydro has barely started compared to fossil fuel investment and subsidies - we're at the equivalent of 1910 for fossil fuels. Look what happened in 30 years.
  • We are already doing much more with less - electricity usage in the UK is at 1990 levels (its just our politicians haven't bothered to invest because they lined their pockets from fossil fuel money supporting lobbyists)
  • Africa as so much building to do, with a large population under 40 and massive amounts of unused land
  • "Western Style" amounts of land might not be required if virtual reality continues to improve exponentially.
  • We can and probably will colonize other planets.
Edited by katchytitle

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I understand the "world population is growing" argument but there is also another side to look at:

  • hardly any of the world has been built on --> most of the world is uninhabitable. Humans have had millions of year to do so, yet here we are
  • practically free energy from natural renewal resources - wind, solar, thermal, hydro has barely started compared to fossil fuel investment and subsidies - we're at the equivalent of 1910 for fossil fuels. Look what happened in 30 years. --> you imply open borders ad infinitum, no trade barriers, no energy security, no self interests, utopia.
  • We are already doing much more with less - electricity usage in the UK is at 1990 levels (its just our politicians haven't bothered to invest because they lined their pockets from fossil fuel money supporting lobbyists) --> yet fossil fuel consumption rises, as does energy demand. Rare earth minerals. Petrochemicals are required for 99.99999999% of all products, be it food or wind turbines.
  • Africa as so much building to do, with a large population under 40 and massive amounts of unused land --> as above, with little incentive to develop
  • "Western Style" amounts of land might not be required if virtual reality continues to improve exponentially. --> eh? logans run?
  • We can and probably will colonize other planets. --> i think we'll be extinct before that ever happens unfortunately

I admire your outlook, albeit a bit too much through rose coloured glasses.

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Lack of food, lack of space, World population explosion, lack of....

Haven't we put these VI myths to bed yet?

People still fall for the pseudo-science behind it all. It's just manipulation to justify their agenda.

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Lack of food, lack of space, World population explosion, lack of....

Haven't we put these VI myths to bed yet?

People still fall for the pseudo-science behind it all. It's just manipulation to justify their agenda.

You are in the 1% of world population who enjoy a standard of living and freedom that 99% of the world will eventually fight you for.

No myth in that factoid.

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You are in the 1% of world population who enjoy a standard of living and freedom that 99% of the world will eventually fight you for.

No myth in that factoid.

Cramped living conditions must mean young people in the UK are encouraged to find their own place.

Homes are made smaller and smaller to try to accommodate them.

Boiled squeezed frog syndrome

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Is it not the case of a reversion to mean?

A (Western) world with everybody enjoying their own house and having all the mod-cons, luxuries and liberty is not feasible.

We live in a world built on cheap energy and very cheap foreign labour/production that simply does not exist anymore.

And the world population has doubled in the 'boomer' generation.

Hence why standards are collapsing all across the Western geo-political hemisphere.

Point is that it's not going to get any better, ever, unless there is a massive population die-off.

worldpop.png

I think the die off will occur unless we find a replacement for cheap oil.

The mistake here is that most people think that $10 a barrel is cheap oil.

cheap oil is oil that uses very little energy to get it. The price of oil in $ is irrelevant. We have a surplus of oil at the moment because of demand destruction. The supply of dollars is contracting faster the the oil supplies. There might not be a huge decline in output just yet.

But its coming. If you think about it, if peak oil was real they best way to deal with it would be to price ever increasing % of the population out of the market.

Ie big chunk of the western world join the 3rd world. (in progress I think) You can create all the money you like but you can't create energy.

Even if the price falls, it is not cheap (its going to be the same with houses as well POST HPC). There is less money around so 40$ a barrel is not cheap. (the value of the oil never changes 8+ gigajoules per barrel ) if you spend 1 gigajoule to get a barrel of oil you have enough profit for a reason civilization. Spend 4 gigajoules per barrel you are just about to collapse. Think joules not $

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This is good. Poor banks, what will they do? lend to real business and not be so casino style?

If people aren't spending their money on housing, and therefore on banks (via mortgage) who don't do or produce anything either, then people have money to spend on the real economy.

Before recently, in the financialized west, how many of the news articles about living with parents being 'sad' or delaying adulthood, were sponsored by the financial cartel / banks, or based on 'research' commissioned by them? I wonder.

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