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I'd like for this thread to be pinned until after the referendum. It shouldn't be relegated to a political sub-forum, the outcome will affect house prices and everything else in our lives. It's the most important political and economic decision of our life times and it needs to be debated as much as possible in the lead up to June 23rd.

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I'd like for this thread to be pinned until after the referendum. It shouldn't be relegated to a political sub-forum, the outcome will affect house prices and everything else in our lives. It's the most important political and economic decision of our life times and it needs to be debated as much as possible in the lead up to June 23rd.

+1. This should be on the main forum as its related to the most important current issue related to house prices and the economy! I'd argue that PINNED is not the best way to get people to see it though, as often those topics get passed by as people look for the hot/active topics just bellow them.

Great video and well worth watching. A good antidote to the constant "All trade will stop if we leave the EU!" & "Do you want to be just another little guy in the world with no power" from the MSM/remain.

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You have the floor if you'd like to raise issues that might suggest remaining in the EU is the best way forward. I wasn't for 1 second suggesting this should be a thread for those voting out. It's my view that we're significantly better out of the EU, but if you have a compelling argument, I'm all ears. BREXIT must be discussed out in the open.

This is politics. It's also just one side of the argument. Pinning it here would suggest that its view is sanctioned by the site.

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This parody news clip is fun too.

If we vote Brexit temperatures will rise dramatically, all polar bears will die, there will be a massive tidal wave which kils every elderly person in an NHS hospital but Top Gear will continue unaffected!

Edited by MARTINX9

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

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Cos they have been brainwashed? Or they just don't get the connection between numbers of people and wages, jobs and the cost of housing.

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My brother is 12 years my junior and he wants to stay in the EU. His opinion centres around rose tinted ideology. He thinks the EU has removed the risk of war in Europe, established standards for countries that would otherwise have fallen behind and he's very much of the opinion, the free movement of Europeans is a good thing. I'd argue if there was appetite for another major war in Europe, NATO removed the risk, not the EU. Whilst I agree the EU has raised the bar in terms of safety standards, Britain already had very high standards. I'd also suggest if all EU countries were equal in terms of opportunities, salaries and benefits, then yes the free movement of workers would be a good thing. My main gripe with his view is he hasn't questioned the cost of the EU, he just seems to think the British tax payer has infinitely deep pockets. As Margaret Thatcher aptly said - "The problem with socialism, is eventually you run out of other people's money." I couldn't agree more.

What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

Because they are thick?

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My brother's not thick, but he has socialist views and I don't know where he got them from... I guess it was university. Our parents always voted conservative and he has his own company, I can't understand why he wants to pay higher taxes and be stifled by EU bureaucracy...

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

Because they have been conditioned to conform and respect authority.

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

Stag dos to Riga mostly.

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Polls all over the place depending on whether they are a phone poll... welfare recipients watching Jeremy Kyle at home or self reliant buchaneers on the internet. God knows what the actual result will be.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/16/phone-poll-finds-10-point-lead-for-remain-but-web-survey-puts-leave-ahead-brexit

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Because they are thick?

Can't get my head around what those under thirty are thinking either.

(1) competition for labour

(2) competition for houses

All of which, of course, enrich the wealth of those that have assets and no longer work, so you have to look at the older vote as being altruistic. Indeed I am voting to be poorer because actually i rememeber how good life used to be.

Mr and Mrs Clark a young couple in blissful serenity in 1970 before it all started going wrong in 1973...

https://mydailyartdisplay.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mr-and-mrs-clark-by-david-hockney.jpg

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Can't get my head around what those under thirty are thinking either.

(1) competition for labour

(2) competition for houses

All of which, of course, enrich the wealth of those that have assets and no longer work, so you have to look at the older vote as being altruistic. Indeed I am voting to be poorer because actually i rememeber how good life used to be.

Mr and Mrs Clark a young couple in blissful serenity in 1970 before it all started going wrong in 1973...

https://mydailyartdisplay.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/mr-and-mrs-clark-by-david-hockney.jpg

This has always been my concern when it comes to the vote,i honestly think they look at the generations above them and thik well they have done OK so why change .most have not worked out those generation had it handed to them on a plate compared to what they will have to do to achieve the same living standard and the thought that they will never achieve that has not entered their mind as of yet

As for voting to be poorer who knows ,there's every chance we could better off ,the only people that will be poorer for sure if it is a Brexit are the UKIP MEP`s as they are campaigning to make themselves redundant....clearly no VI there

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

Because they've gotten in to the schools, and come on porpoised the crap out of them.

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What I don't understand is why the younger generation are so much in favour of preserving the status quo compared to the older generation. Over the last couple of decades we have come under more and more EU influence but things have only got worse for them.

Because they don't know any different and, for some, a complete disconnect with the political system. Anecdote: Recent conversation with an apprentice at work- all politicians are in it for themselves and it's good that the EU keep them in check. He also thought voting was a waste of time.

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I'd say it's a certainty we'll be better off, the EU is bankrupt and it's far better to leave a sinking ship before it sinks! The video I posted covers how the EU stifles innovation through tariffs, quotas and complicated legislation, if you haven't watched it, it's certainly worth your time.

If Britain leaves the EU, capital will flow to Britain when the EU ship of fools slips below the water.

there's every chance we could better off ,the only people that will be poorer for sure if it is a Brexit are the UKIP MEP`s as they are campaigning to make themselves redundant....clearly no VI there

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Isis seem to be in favour of a remain vote. No major terrorist attacks till after the 23rd.

Either the security services and media are pulling out all the stops, or this is a strategic decision by Isis to keep the borders open.

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Polls all over the place depending on whether they are a phone poll... welfare recipients watching Jeremy Kyle at home or self reliant buchaneers on the internet. God knows what the actual result will be.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/16/phone-poll-finds-10-point-lead-for-remain-but-web-survey-puts-leave-ahead-brexit

That's puzzling i would have thought it would have been the other way around phone/online

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I'd say it's a certainty we'll be better off, the EU is bankrupt and it's far better to leave a sinking ship before it sinks! The video I posted covers how the EU stifles innovation through tariffs, quotas and complicated legislation, if you haven't watched it, it's certainly worth your time.

If Britain leaves the EU, capital will flow to Britain when the EU ship of fools slips below the water.

I`m leaning that way but it would a bit hypocritical to say the remainians can`t say what the future holds when it comes to their fearmongering ,and on the flip side it do make the out campaign sound negative

The way i see it is the EU have failed to negotiate trade deals with most of the world as it`s a 1 on 28 deal 1on 1 is a far better scenario

Take the much talked about Canadian deal that`s been ongoing for 8+ years ...the main stumbling block is/was former eastern block countries wanted visa access to Canada the Canadians were not happy, there was also a deal with a S American country can`t remember which one, that was scuppered by Greek citrus farmers...basically there are way to many states to please, one will always feel the are getting a bad deal

And yes the vid is great i seen it a few days ago, it also get`s the we can do better message across very well

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