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Nhs Numbers 1 M Every 36 Hours?

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Where's that stat from?

Doesn't it mean the entire population sees the NHS in some shape or form every 100 days?

Hmmm.

Could it include everyone who takes prescription medicines? Including those who are patients forever on a pill a day.

Note, it doesn't claim anything about a million different people.

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Pretty dubious.

I've done rough and ready samples of when people use NHS before.

Me and kids. Kids last set of jabs 3 years ago. Me 6 years ago, which could have been sorted by pharmacist.

People at work - 10 years ago.

My dad - 5 times in last month. That should have been 2 but they messed up blood sample 3 times!

Gf aunt - every other day almost. hypochondriac.

That's it. Strongly for GP visit charge. And some sort of variable rate leveled according to lifestyle

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Seems reasonable.. that's just over 3 times a year, which as someone above posted would include dentist visits as well as multiple followups for referrals, blood tests etc.

Lots of ailments need multiple visits. It's easy to see how the average would go up.

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It is just a stat that sounded good until you start to pick it apart. I found it more interesting how they paid reference to housing costs with the gas bill? Who's gas bill is so massive compared to the rent? I see bill as, frankly a fairly minor expense.

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Pretty dubious.

I've done rough and ready samples of when people use NHS before.

Me and kids. Kids last set of jabs 3 years ago. Me 6 years ago, which could have been sorted by pharmacist.

People at work - 10 years ago.

My dad - 5 times in last month. That should have been 2 but they messed up blood sample 3 times!

Gf aunt - every other day almost. hypochondriac.

That's it. Strongly for GP visit charge. And some sort of variable rate leveled according to lifestyle

Pretty pointless anecdotal comment. So you and your kids don't use the NHS much because you're healthy? What if any of you got a serious. illness? In the US, even if they'd messed up your dad's blood sample (which also happens in private healthcare, people being fallible) he'd still be trying to appeal getting charged for it.

'Some sort of variable rate leveled according to lifestyle' is unfortunately one of those 'get the scroungers' policies which hits the people who need healthcare the most. How do you decide who has a bad lifestyle? You can't, it would take more resources to monitor people, so you have to just levy charges against everyone. Unless you start at one end of the spectrum with categories like the overweight, but where do you draw the line? Few kilos over your target weight? Not running enough on the treadmill every week?

A GP charge is something different. It would be workable but safeguards would need to be in place so that people didn't avoid the GP in the early stages of illnesses which would end up costing the NHS more in treatment when left unchecked.

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Pretty pointless anecdotal comment. So you and your kids don't use the NHS much because you're healthy? What if any of you got a serious. illness? In the US, even if they'd messed up your dad's blood sample (which also happens in private healthcare, people being fallible) he'd still be trying to appeal getting charged for it.

'Some sort of variable rate leveled according to lifestyle' is unfortunately one of those 'get the scroungers' policies which hits the people who need healthcare the most. How do you decide who has a bad lifestyle? You can't, it would take more resources to monitor people, so you have to just levy charges against everyone. Unless you start at one end of the spectrum with categories like the overweight, but where do you draw the line? Few kilos over your target weight? Not running enough on the treadmill every week?

A GP charge is something different. It would be workable but safeguards would need to be in place so that people didn't avoid the GP in the early stages of illnesses which would end up costing the NHS more in treatment when left unchecked.

But so are most people!

The number of chronic sdick oughht to be pretty small.

My sample was about 30 people,of varying age. Anecdotes frtont run stats.

I mention the blood sample ass this was a basic process. I would expect as fckup to be very rare. Fcking it up 3 consecutive times points to a big problem.

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60,000,000 visits to the shops everyday.

some people may have to decide between visiting the shops and paying the gas bill.

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Pretty dubious.

I've done rough and ready samples of when people use NHS before.

Me and kids. Kids last set of jabs 3 years ago. Me 6 years ago, which could have been sorted by pharmacist.

People at work - 10 years ago.

My dad - 5 times in last month. That should have been 2 but they messed up blood sample 3 times!

Gf aunt - every other day almost. hypochondriac.

That's it. Strongly for GP visit charge. And some sort of variable rate leveled according to lifestyle

How many pre-natal and ante-natal appointments were there for each child though?

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How many pre-natal and ante-natal appointments were there for each child though?

His brood have had tens of thousands of pounds of free NHS care, so have any of the 30 people he 'polled' who have children - but he doesn't see that because he doesn't go down the doctors every week. But the minute the smallest thing goes wrong, it's not fit for purpose.

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His brood have had tens of thousands of pounds of free NHS care, so have any of the 30 people he 'polled' who have children - but he doesn't see that because he doesn't go down the doctors every week. But the minute the smallest thing goes wrong, it's not fit for purpose.

+100

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In reality a lot this is probably the same people (ill or elderly) using the NHS in different ways several times.

yah think :lol:

Whole think smacks of desperation...1 million brits watch tv every other hour. MY GOD, how dare any one suggest cuts to the BBC!!!

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How many pre-natal and ante-natal appointments were there for each child though?

Not many.

We had baby school.

A handful of appointments for each kid.

Several 1k worth of health care.

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My wife and I went to the doctors a handful of times between the ages of 1-30.

Then we had a troublesome pregnancy and used more in resources then we could have possibly afforded to pay (multiple weeks in hospital, specialist doctors etc)

That is what any form of insurance (national or otherwise) is for.

Given the fact we want to cover everyone in the country the most efficient way of doing this is through a nationalised system.

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Given the fact we want to cover everyone in the country the most efficient way of doing this is through a nationalised system.

You won that lottery. You got the treatment.

If everone got the treatment they needed in their hour of need, I'd say the NHS had merit. I just object to being forced to pay for a lottery I'm most likely to lose when I need it.

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The NHS is a pretty wide ranging thing if you include everything attached to it including eye, ear, nose and throat specialist etc firms outside of the hospital umbrella. It's not just hospitals and GPs and then there's the previously mentioned repeats (prescriptions, visits for the same illness, tests etc,).

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You won that lottery. You got the treatment.

If everone got the treatment they needed in their hour of need, I'd say the NHS had merit. I just object to being forced to pay for a lottery I'm most likely to lose when I need it.

This. NS treatment is too inconsistent to classify as a 'National' health service.

Some bits are good, some bits OK, some bit terrible.

Again, any attempts to vocalise any opinion of the NHS that isnt *BEST IN THE WORLD* attracts 'Huh you got it for free what ou complain9ing about'.

There's nothing free about the NHS. It swallows up ~ 30% of taxes.

On that alone Id have paid for all my treatment in my lifetime plus my kids in the last 5 years.

Germany and France pay a couple of percentage more of GDP for a system that is significantly better.

A major part of that is by having a part public/part private system.

And deny all but the very basics to anyone who does not produce a valid insurance card.

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You won that lottery. You got the treatment.

If everone got the treatment they needed in their hour of need, I'd say the NHS had merit. I just object to being forced to pay for a lottery I'm most likely to lose when I need it.

I object to paying for Eastern European and North African scum who use it and I speak as someone who is 50% Eastern European.

If we restricted its use and with all the recent investment it would more than adequate for the UK population

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Given the fact we want to cover everyone in the country the most efficient way of doing this is through a nationalised system.

That's a fair point to debate, but what we get instead is a straw man saying it's centralised NHS or nothing.

There are only 3 countries with centralised public healthcare models - UK, Brazil and Canada. All other developed countries aside from the USA have effective free healthcare systems. But I do agree with you this is a debate worth having.

The junior doctors' political actions seem self defeating. They're preaching to the converted and at the same time galvanising opposition from the very people who's opinions actually matter (Tories, who I might add actually have a democratic mandate)

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I object to paying for Eastern European and North African scum who use it and I speak as someone who is 50% Eastern European.

If we restricted its use and with all the recent investment it would more than adequate for the UK population

Just had a debate on mental health provision through the NHS on LBC. At one point a caller who works in the NHS pointed out you don't have to give an address to be treated. When I was involved in the NHS the clinical staff insisted we check addresses to ensure ethical treatment could be maintained. Even then we had people other than the patient turn up for treatment.

One memorable case was of a Dubai national whose son had been born whilst she was in the UK. He sadly had kidney problems and she flew in with him for treatment under the NHS. Apparently a local GP knew, and sanctioned this.

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