Jump to content
House Price Crash Forum
Steppenpig

Scottish Election Poll

Recommended Posts

Just curious. Sorry for absence of Ukip, but I don't think it's relevant to this election at this time

PS it's not a public poll, i.e, identities are not revealed.

edit added option so you only give opinion in one question

Edited by Steppenpig

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well. it looks like from my representative sample, it will be a clean sweep for the SNP. Probably reasonably accurate. Amazingly, labour, liberals and greens are all promising tax rises. It's like they don't want to get elected. The Libs have even reprised their "1p on basic rate" because it was such a winner for them last time.

SNP to increase overall majority.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Surprise surprise, I've voted SNP in my constituency. It might not be as black and white as you think though. A lot of the SNP seats taken five years ago were very, very close.

My list vote went to the greens, simply because I don't like the idea of the SNP legislating with impunity. There must be an opposition, and if that opposition can consist of as many different parties as possible, that's all to the good imo.

If something is presented to Holyrood that is SO monstrous that a rainbow alliance can be formed to out vote the party presenting the legislation, that is the minimum 'check and balance' I would expect. In fact, I'd like to see the Scottish system introduced into Westminster, then we can get rid of the HoL!

Just to be clear, the above comments are in no way a suggestion that Scotland is a 'single-party state', merely that the opposition parties are pathetic.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Surprise surprise, I've voted SNP in my constituency. It might not be as black and white as you think though. A lot of the SNP seats taken five years ago were very, very close.

My list vote went to the greens, simply because I don't like the idea of the SNP legislating with impunity. There must be an opposition, and if that opposition can consist of as many different parties as possible, that's all to the good imo.

If something is presented to Holyrood that is SO monstrous that a rainbow alliance can be formed to out vote the party presenting the legislation, that is the minimum 'check and balance' I would expect. In fact, I'd like to see the Scottish system introduced into Westminster, then we can get rid of the HoL!

Just to be clear, the above comments are in no way a suggestion that Scotland is a 'single-party state', merely that the opposition parties are pathetic.

Well Scotland is a one-party state, and it is a bit weird. What happened to all that enthusiasm for political debate ? (appreciate the enthusiasm for other parties being pathetic, but still...)

Just to be clear - outsider looking in with curiosity.

Edited by pig

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well Scotland is a one-party state, and it is a bit weird. What happened to all that enthusiasm for political debate ? (appreciate the enthusiasm for other parties being pathetic, but still...)

Just to be clear - outsider looking in with curiosity.

Only in as much as there was only one viable party to vote for.... that's not the generally-held meaning of a "one-party state". There is still plenty of debate (especially in tory circles today!), but it centred around peoples second, list, vote. There was never any doubt that the SNP would be the largest party, it was all about having a majority and who was gong to be the official opposition.

Hate to blow my own trumpet, but it went down exactly as I thought it would, with the exception of a couple of Lib Dem constituency wins, and a lower number of list seats for the Greens. Delighted to see the Greens holding the balance of power, as I have my doubts over the SNP's 'moratorium' on fracking. Hopefully the tories will be contrary at any suggestion from the Scottish Government that fracking is viable, and the Greens will veto it.

What IS remarkable is how well the voting system has worked, comparing voting percentages to party representation. The list vote system making a reasonable fist at PR.

Edit: Forget to mention, UKIP were nowhere! YAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSS! Roll on IndyRef2 :D

Edited by AThirdWay

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Only in as much as there was only one viable party to vote for.... that's not the generally-held meaning of a "one-party state". There is still plenty of debate (especially in tory circles today!), but it centred around peoples second, list, vote. There was never any doubt that the SNP would be the largest party, it was all about having a majority and who was gong to be the official opposition.

Hate to blow my own trumpet, but it went down exactly as I thought it would, with the exception of a couple of Lib Dem constituency wins, and a lower number of list seats for the Greens. Delighted to see the Greens holding the balance of power, as I have my doubts over the SNP's 'moratorium' on fracking. Hopefully the tories will be contrary at any suggestion from the Scottish Government that fracking is viable, and the Greens will veto it.

What IS remarkable is how well the voting system has worked, comparing voting percentages to party representation. The list vote system making a reasonable fist at PR.

It is starting to look like a death spiral of political ideas.

It's not just Scotland - notable exceptions but helluva lot of blue in England.

I've heard of it as 'the rise of the Right' when talking about Europe and on the surface a choice between Tories or Nationalists would seem to back that up in Scotland.

I wonder if it's actually people voting through a kind of fear that happens to be addressed by the Right ? I read something recently about Rwingers brains more wired for emotion.

What I mean is a kind of increased retreat into 'identity' rather than grappling with actual political ideas or choice. Even on here people will argue immigrants are to blame for the housing crisis...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hate to blow my own trumpet, but it went down exactly as I thought it would, with the exception of ...

Well done. What made you come to your conclusion. at odds with all the media commentators?

I can't see any less reason to vote SNP today that last time, plus all the other parties are in turmoil, plus the lefty parties promising tax increases.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It is starting to look like a death spiral of political ideas.

It's not just Scotland - notable exceptions but helluva lot of blue in England.

I've heard of it as 'the rise of the Right' when talking about Europe and on the surface a choice between Tories or Nationalists would seem to back that up in Scotland.

I wonder if it's actually people voting through a kind of fear that happens to be addressed by the Right ? I read something recently about Rwingers brains more wired for emotion.

What I mean is a kind of increased retreat into 'identity' rather than grappling with actual political ideas or choice. Even on here people will argue immigrants are to blame for the housing crisis...

I hate to say it, but I view the SNP as a version of the Tony Blair government I thought I was voting for in '97.

At that time, I saw New Labour as the antidote to the two party, left/right, battle that inevitably led to boom and bust cycles. A third way to do UK politics, taking the acceptable business friendly aspects of Conservatism, tempered with the social concious of old labour socialism.

Well, we all know how that worked out.....

So no, I don't think that we're looking at a "death spiral of political ideas", rather we're seeing a centre-left ish party that, because it has middle of the road policies (apart from Indy, of course!), appears to be 'boring'.

Don't get me wrong, the tories will be over the moon with last nights result, but it's rather premature to equate this result as a rise in the right, brought on by fear or otherwise. In fact, given UKIP's results, quite the opposite may be the case North of the border.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well done. What made you come to your conclusion. at odds with all the media commentators?

I can't see any less reason to vote SNP today that last time, plus all the other parties are in turmoil, plus the lefty parties promising tax increases.

It was the discussion about list votes. People tend to forget that the indy effort in 2014 was an alliance of many parties, the Greens being the most impressive, second to the SNP of course, imo.

Given that all had conceded that the SNP were going to be the biggest party, it was a given that a considerable number of list votes would go to parties that were pro-indy. Of course, any list vote for the SNP was going to be vastly diminished in the Additional Member System. This has been covered at length on the Bella and WoS sites, and I just felt that the Scottish electorate are now sophisticated enough to understand that. if they want a pro-indy government in Holyrood, then splitting their vote was probably the best way to achieve this.

Additionally, I simply don't want there to be no checks and balances on an SNP government, or any other for that matter, and think a coalition (although I doubt Sturgeon will seek an official agreement with any other parties) is the best way to achieve this in Holyrood.

Edit: I've just had a look over on WoS, and the Rev is having a rant because he thinks the Greens won't support another indyref..... I'm not so sure about that.

Edited by AThirdWay

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Aberdeen had a National Front feckwit on the ballot, plus other mong hate/race/single issue parties.

Oh well. Yay for democracy.

Yup, any old half-wit can put themselves forward if they are prepared to lose their deposit! I thought all that NF/BNP nonsense was behind us?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How are the SNP able to form a minority government? Obviously labour and green will support many of their policies, but in any other country it is normal to have to form formal coalitions.

Do the constituency and list msp's have the same rights/responsibitiels/roles/duties? If so, why not just have a simple list vote?

Edited by Steppenpig

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How are the SNP able to form a minority government? Obviously labour and green will support many of their policies, but in any other country it is normal to have to form formal coalitions.

Do the constituency and list msp's have the same rights/responsibitiels/roles/duties? If so, why not just have a simple list vote?

In the same way as they did between 2007 and 2011.

To be honest, I don't know how list MSP's deal with constiuancy surgeries, but their duties etc. are the same as directly elected MSP's. As an aside, the labour party used to look down their noses at list MSP's, for not having faced a public vote.... the scramble for labour grandee's to get on the 2016 list was both hilarious and disgusting!

Edited by AThirdWay

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tories got over 500,000 votes in Scotland for first time since before bliar/new labour. Evidence (New)labour voters that arent going SNP turning tory? Cameron really is the heir to bliar? Unless tories swing right and the near 50% who want full independence decide they dont want independence and stop voting SNP, hard to see how labour has any future in Scotland.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • The Prime Minister stated that there were three Brexit options available to the UK:   108 members have voted

    1. 1. Which of the Prime Minister's options would you choose?


      • Leave with the negotiated deal
      • Remain
      • Leave with no deal

    Please sign in or register to vote in this poll. View topic


×

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.