warpig Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 There's some more poll info here: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3904409- 49.2% leave / 50.08% remain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 Whilst immigration is only one of MANY serious issues with the EU, this is what will happen if your culture becomes too diluted - Muslim Immigrants Want Swiss to Change the Flag Because it is a Christian Symbol - http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4855 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/push-for-visafree-migration-bloc-in-australia-uk-canada-and-new-zealand/news-story/c854fd6012d1245512f76cf39955b0cf Dear god that'd be approximately a billion times more desirable than membership of the EU. And it's there to be had if we just voted for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/push-for-visafree-migration-bloc-in-australia-uk-canada-and-new-zealand/news-story/c854fd6012d1245512f76cf39955b0cf Dear god that'd be approximately a billion times more desirable than membership of the EU. And it's there to be had if we just voted for it. If the vote is for out I can see the UK signing that in a heartbeat... They all speak English as a native language.... Not subject to archaic non discrimination rules overseen by the ECJ either.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/push-for-visafree-migration-bloc-in-australia-uk-canada-and-new-zealand/news-story/c854fd6012d1245512f76cf39955b0cf Dear god that'd be approximately a billion times more desirable than membership of the EU. And it's there to be had if we just voted for it. Now that`s another great reason to leave the EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AThirdWay Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 No probs! Waaah! You are officially my 2nd biggest hero in HPC! Despair not, for losing to Mr Pin should be considered a win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 This isn't about left or right, this is about right or wrong. What are your reasons for voting against common sense? Common sense? In my experience "common sense" is usually stuff that is obvious in the short term but does not take account of the long term consequences. The UK has suffered from too much common sense and not enough long term thinking for far too long. Most who are in favour of Brexit look at the short term perceived benefits of stuff such as saving "x" without looking at how those savings will be eroded over the longer term ( imo the shorter term). Common sense is the preserve of the lazy thinking, the quick win brigade and those with little imagination or vision for the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Can you give me a few examples that demonstrate your point(s)? Common sense? In my experience "common sense" is usually stuff that is obvious in the short term but does not take account of the long term consequences. The UK has suffered from too much common sense and not enough long term thinking for far too long. Most who are in favour of Brexit look at the short term perceived benefits of stuff such as saving "x" without looking at how those savings will be eroded over the longer term ( imo the shorter term). Common sense is the preserve of the lazy thinking, the quick win brigade and those with little imagination or vision for the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EUBanana Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 In the long term. we already have fascists getting a quarter of the vote in EU nations and horrendously high youth unemployment across much of the EU. I'd GTFO to avoid what's coming in the long term... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Waaah! You are officially my 2nd biggest hero in HPC! Despair not, for losing to Mr Pin should be considered a win Posser Edited March 15, 2016 by long time lurking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 In the long term. we already have fascists getting a quarter of the vote in EU nations and horrendously high youth unemployment across much of the EU. I'd GTFO to avoid what's coming in the long term... That is more than a little worrying ,i suspect that figure will rise when France and some of the former eastern block go to the polls,interesting times ahead for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XswampyX Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Waaah! You are officially my 2nd biggest hero in HPC! Despair not, for losing to Mr Pin should be considered a win I can live with that! Why isn't it animated in your avatar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patfig Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Apologies, I haven't read all of his poll so the point may have been made already. I looked at the bookmakers odds on this and they are saying 1/2 that we will stay in 15/8 to leave. I talk to a lot of people day to day and often broach the subject and it seems to me that the consensus is people are voting to leave. My question is are the bookies better informed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time lurking Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I can live with that! Why isn't it animated in your avatar? The elephant in mine is supposed to bounce it stopped when they changed the forums skin a while back if you visit the member profile it will be animated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 In the long term. we already have fascists getting a quarter of the vote in EU nations and horrendously high youth unemployment across much of the EU. I'd GTFO to avoid what's coming in the long term... Interesting then that in countries such as Spain and Greece where youth unemployment is highest that young people are turning towards left leaning politics and away from fascism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campervanman Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Can you give me a few examples that demonstrate your point(s)? It made sense for the miners to strike for higher wages in the 1970's , it gave the miners more in their pockets It made sense to sell off electricity, gas and water utilities in the 1980's, it created a shareholding democracy It made sense to sell off council housing and replace it with BTL, it expanded home ownership It made sense to allow 120% ltv mortgages on properties that only ever rise in value At any point in time, what looks obvious at the time sometimes isn't obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 18, 2016 Author Share Posted March 18, 2016 Thanks for the examples, but IMO none of those examples made sense. The long term consequences were obvious to those that chose to look for them. I would turn your statement on it's head and say common sense suggests too many uncertainties hints that staying in the EU makes more sense, especially considering the state of the world in terms of geopolitics and general stability. I'd also suggest this is a short term view because they're scared of the dark and what might be lurking, mainly based on ignorance. My long term view is staying put is more dangerous than taking stock of ourselves and being brave enough to go it alone and having the confidence to do so. The Britain Empire defined the modern world, English is the defacto second language of the world and whilst we did it by force, we can take credit for civilising 1/5 of the world. I think Britain needs to show some backbone. It made sense for the miners to strike for higher wages in the 1970's , it gave the miners more in their pocketsIt made sense to sell off electricity, gas and water utilities in the 1980's, it created a shareholding democracyIt made sense to sell off council housing and replace it with BTL, it expanded home ownershipIt made sense to allow 120% ltv mortgages on properties that only ever rise in valueAt any point in time, what looks obvious at the time sometimes isn't obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 It made sense for the miners to strike for higher wages in the 1970's , it gave the miners more in their pockets It made sense to sell off electricity, gas and water utilities in the 1980's, it created a shareholding democracy It made sense to sell off council housing and replace it with BTL, it expanded home ownership It made sense to allow 120% ltv mortgages on properties that only ever rise in value At any point in time, what looks obvious at the time sometimes isn't obvious. Hindsight is wonderful and post-event rationalisation isn't helpful here. Sovereignty, accountability, bureaucracy and immigration are long-term issues in the EU debate and a decision needs to be made for June 23rd. I want to make an informed decision and am grateful for the posters on both sides - even though yours is a lonely voice on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 20, 2016 Author Share Posted March 20, 2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeple Splinter Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 Interesting, thanks for posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XswampyX Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 It's a good speech, but hardly "Hungary on a war footing". This is how things used to be. Since the 1970's and stretching back to the beginning of time countries have had borders and control over who/what came over them. It's hardly some radical right wing ideology is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 It is in today's world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Britain could BENEFIT by leaving the EU, says Barclays: Bank believes worst effects of a Brexit would be felt in Europe The report by Barclays experts added that Britain could become a safe haven from a disintegrating Europe, giving investors shelter from problems with the euro. ‘If politics in the EU turned for the worse, the UK may be seen as a safe haven from those risks,’ it said. But the bank also warned that if the referendum favours exit, it could lead to the collapse of the EU itself. Analyst Philippe Gudin said: ‘The referendum is generally seen as a UK issue when it is better seen as a European issue.’ He warned that the political and institutional aftershocks of a ‘leave’ vote were far greater than the economic fears. Mr Gudin added that if Britain voted to quit, it would encourage other EU member states to think about leaving amid the migration crisis. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3421977/Britain-BENEFIT-leaving-EU-says-Barclays-Bank-believes-worst-effects-Brexit-felt-Europe.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpig Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Why is this in a sub-forum? This is the most important vote of our lives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geezer466 Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Interesting, thanks for posting. Orban Video First time I have heard a Nations leader talking Bilderburger..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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