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Merkel’S Migration Deal With Turkey Is Bonkers

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The Financial Times account of the draft deal proposed by Germany and Turkey is jaw-dropping

Here is what is proposed: migrants in Greece will be forcibly returned to Turkey; the EU will then operate a one for one policy on taking migrants and placing them in EU nations; Visa liberalisation, offering travel rights within the Schengen area to 75m Turks, will be fast-forwarded to this June; and Turkey’s accession to the EU will be accelerated.

Some of this – the visa liberalisation – has been mooted and discussed in Brussels for some time, but I bet very few British voters knew about it.

They will find out, when there is a referendum on. In that referendum, much of the British political class is desperate for free movement (which will follow for Turks eventually if Turkey gets in) to not become a major issue in June. Good luck with that now.

Several thoughts:

1) The migration deal proposed by Merkel as it stands is downright bonkers. Try and imagine the distressing scenes with TV crews on hand in April, May and June as thousands in Greek camps are removed by force, and sent to Turkey, which they paid a lot to leave.

2) Does Chancellor Merkel realise there is a referendum happening in Britain in June or does she not care about the result? Add this deal to the recent insulting speech by Jean-Claude Juncker and one really starts ‎to wonder.

3) When news of it emerged late last night, quite a few commentators thought it was all a fuss over nothing, because it is bound to be squashed. Turkey has long been in the queue, and so on. This is to apply ultra liberal rigid rationalism and London dinner party thinking to a subject which for many Britons, particularly older Britons, is visceral and heartfelt. They never really got to vote on free movement and mass migration, and now the EU is at it again, at the worst possible moment.

4) Try this thought experiment. Go back twenty five years and ponder what most sensible people would have said on being told that by now anyone from Romania, Bulgaria or (eventually) Turkey could come here. People would be astonished. No British government would allow it, surely? That’s a recipe for cultural tension and pressure on public services. Yet piece by piece that is what happened, and the polls show voters outside London are not at all happy about it. The lovely idea that is free movement (enshrined in the Treaty of Rome when the EC had only six members) is delusional in a Union of 28 (plus Turkey). You might say that people will just have to jolly well get used to disruption, uncontrolled migration and creative destruction, although this sounds like the ultra-liberal version of the revolutionary cry that to make an omlette you must break a few eggs. Many people have no desire to be the eggs that get smashed. They don’t want to be disrupted any more than they can avoid. And on June 23rd they have a vote on all this stuff.

5) Merkel’s proposed deal matters – potentially a lot – because the strongest card that the Remain campaign possesses in Britain’s EU referendum is stability and a measure of security. This undermines ‎that offer, even if the migrant deal is quashed. It demonstrates that the most powerful EU leader is prepared to start remaking migration policy and the EU at high speed, in a highly questionable manner. What will they try next if the UK votes to Remain?

On Junkers speech:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3477073/EU-chief-provokes-fury-telling-Brexit-backers-visit-war-graves-think-quitting-EU.html

EU chief provokes fury by telling Brexit backers to visit war graves and then think about again about quitting the EU

Seeing as this is a 'hot' topic.

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What if they only find 1 in 10 migrants are genuine asylum seekers? Do we have to trawl the planet for another 4 before Turkey takes them off us? Maybe start some wars if we can't find enough?

Why are we even dealing with Turkey? If they're not genuine, send them back directly.

Seems to me Merkel is just using the Turks as mercenaries. She knows most are not refoogies, but is too much of a coward to get the German army to do the dirty work of expelling them, and thus would rather simply appropriate taxpayer funds to rope Turkey in. Turkey is right to be playing hardball. Individuals like Merkel are the lowest of the low. Won't shoot someone in the head themselves, but gladly pay someone else to do it.

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Turkey integrating with Europe is a non-starter.

Why Merkel's CHRISTIAN Democratic Union of Germany wants to try and mash up a mainly Christian Union of Nations (EU) with an Islamic one is beyond me.

Something in the back of my mind tells me this whole exercise is a stitch up and there is some end game here, not just naive politicians playing empire builder.

It will probably end with a single 5.56 bullet or well placed bomb ending the life of some 'major' western figure, in some spectacular fashion, bringing down the wrath of certain European states & USA, followed by a generation of nastiness.

Sound familiar?

https://youtu.be/GhCXAiNz9Jo

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Best to put the tin foil hat on before reading but frau Merkel and rumpy pumpy both have prizes,i am coming to think all the stuff about Bilderbergers etc is not a load of balls.

https://cigpapers.wordpress.com/2013/10/27/the-coudenhove-kalergi-plan-the-genocide-of-the-people-of-europe/

I love how they term it changing from a "diversity of peoples" to a "diversity of individuals" in a typical example of social engineerist inanity. As if somehow coffee coloured people are, on an individual level, any more different than white people are to other white people, black people to other black people, and so forth. We already have both diversities. In fact, given the population explosion in Asia in the last century, the world was probably a far more 'diverse' place 100 years ago.

Of course, its all doublespeak. They hate any actual diversity, be it diversity of opinion, or the races. Any diversity gets in the way of the communist 'we must all be the same' mentality.

Perhaps they they think if we all look the same, there will be no war. But history shows people just fight over other things. They're all brown in afghanistan and still fight. All white in Ulster and fought for a long time. People fight. If war is to be stopped, downsize governments.

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How's multiculturalism doing in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, South Africa? :lol:

It seems that multiculturalism = the extinction of white people. After that there will be no racism or racist wars. Only a socialist utopia of mass genocide and religious wars. But not racism, well still racism but dressed up as religion and socialism.

If Merkel isn't hanging from a lamppost within 10 years i'll be amazed.

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Merkel criticizes closing of Balkan route

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has criticized Balkan nations for closing borders to migrants. In the past 24 hours, four Balkan states have closed their borders to migrants without documents and EU visas. After Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia and Macedonia closed their borders to migrants over the past day, Merkel said Wednesday the Balkan nations' measures to stop the flow of migrants would be unsustainable without a broader EU response to the refugee crisis.

Closing borders "is not the solution to the entire problem," Merkel said. The domino effect comes as EU leaders at a summit on Monday said the irregular migrant flows along the Balkan route "have now come to an end." At Merkel's urging, the summit statement distinctly avoided using the word "closed."

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Part of EU Plan

European Council chief Donald Tusk took to Twitter on Wednesday to thank Balkan countries “for implementing part of EU’s comprehensive strategy to deal with migration crisis.” He added that the closure wasn’t the result of a series of unilateral actions, but a common decision of all 28 EU members.

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But, it's not a 'done deal' is it.

Turkey doesn't want to know about the 50k migrants already in Greece. (Although the 3bn will do nicely thanks.)

Meanwhile, Greece can't get a sub for humanitarian aid.

Once again, the mainstream media is avoiding a real horror story.

The 'Keep Talking Greece' blog keeps current, and the Huffington Post is fairly outraged too. 'EU To Turn Greece Into Concentration Camp.' But that's probably because the editor is Greek expat.

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You need us more than we need you

Turkey has threatened to rip-up its migrant deal with the EU claiming it will stop letting migrants across its border unless Brussels implements a pledge to grant Turks visa-free travel. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned the European Union that it needs Turkey 'more than we need you' as tensions grew over promises for visa liberalisation in a crucial deal on stemming the flow of migrants to Europe. Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu had earlier bluntly told the EU that Ankara would no longer abide by the March migrant accord if Brussels fails to implement the visa-free travel by June.

Critics are now concerned that the EU appears ready to give in to pressure laid on by the country.

But the prospect of visa-free travel for Turks has been hugely controversial in some EU countries, where leaders have been accused of bending over to fulfil Erdogan's demands at a time when he is accused of growing authoritarianism.

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You need us more than we need you

Turkey has threatened to rip-up its migrant deal with the EU claiming it will stop letting migrants across its border unless Brussels implements a pledge to grant Turks visa-free travel. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned the European Union that it needs Turkey 'more than we need you' as tensions grew over promises for visa liberalisation in a crucial deal on stemming the flow of migrants to Europe. Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu had earlier bluntly told the EU that Ankara would no longer abide by the March migrant accord if Brussels fails to implement the visa-free travel by June.

Critics are now concerned that the EU appears ready to give in to pressure laid on by the country.

But the prospect of visa-free travel for Turks has been hugely controversial in some EU countries, where leaders have been accused of bending over to fulfil Erdogan's demands at a time when he is accused of growing authoritarianism.

We don't need Turkey at all but Greece and Italy would have to implement a naval blockade of Africa and Turkey turning back any migrant boats or the EU. Turkey would pretty soon not let anyone cross its borders (as it is already doing to some extent).

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We don't need Turkey at all but Greece and Italy would have to implement a naval blockade of Africa and Turkey turning back any migrant boats or the EU. Turkey would pretty soon not let anyone cross its borders (as it is already doing to some extent).

The only sensible solution.

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^ OP's dailymail link


EU chief provokes fury by telling Brexit backers to visit war graves and then think about again about quitting the EU

Every time they want their own way they threaten Britain with war. Every single time.

Perhaps it's high time Britain re-armed.

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Every time they want their own way they threaten Britain with war. Every single time.

Perhaps it's high time Britain re-armed.

you do realise what the ultimatum against kohl was from the US,france,UK and russia last time, don't you?

something to the effect of "try that sh1t again and we won't be taking any prisoners,because there won't be anybody left in your country to become prisoners"

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Perhaps it's high time Britain re-armed.

Who will be defending Britain? What version of Britain will they be defending? And for whom?

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The EU should be tough towards Turkey or they will walk all over them. They only understand the strongman in those parts.

If they refuse to accept illegal border crossers then put in trade embargoes, import duties, departure taxes for flights to turkey, bans on officials travelling to the EU, etc.

Otherwise we might as well just bend over.

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you do realise what the ultimatum against kohl was from the US,france,UK and russia last time, don't you?

something to the effect of "try that sh1t again and we won't be taking any prisoners,because there won't be anybody left in your country to become prisoners"

The Kohl ultimatum and warning of war as described in the link was against the British government and the British stance against further integration and the approaching euro - generally as in the independent article and generally across the media at the time.

Mr Kohl's warnings were clearly directed in part at Britain, where the Government has been fuelling fears of further integration and questioning the timetable for the creation of a European single currency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/543955.stm

To him European integration was as a question of war and peace, a point that he stressed in many speeches.

Many speeches indeed - typically like now (with Junker) whenever they wanted their own way such as during the reunification process in Thatcher's days.

Of course if you have a link describing other matters happening behind the scenes at the time (reverse ultimatums for example) then a link would be helpful.

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Who will be defending Britain? What version of Britain will they be defending? And for whom?

Yep, go and risk your life or get horrifically maimed whilst millions of people sit smugly at home drawing their benefits, being lauded by the luvvies in the media and when you get back you discover that you get poor health care, are at the back of a queue for housing and basically treated as a pariah.

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Yep, go and risk your life or get horrifically maimed whilst millions of people sit smugly at home drawing their benefits, being lauded by the luvvies in the media and when you get back you discover that you get poor health care, are at the back of a queue for housing and basically treated as a pariah.

I wouldn't join the army because as a modern man I support equality and prefer to free up my place to a female. Being a modern man, I also hope that the army will ensure that the non-binary people are also invited - so that we can fight more diversely. Also the army shouldn't discriminate against pregnant women (which is so widespread at the moment!).

Also we must ensure that vegans are given full support. There are very few of them in the army, but that's because we don't support them enough.

Also I believe that the current uniforms are far too misogynistic. That modern man in me also doesn't like the fact that there aren't enough 'safe spaces' on the battlefield, and also many military activities are driven by hate.

Also the army shouldn't use the Union Jack as that might discourage some minorities from joining in (it can also be seen as offensive to some).

Also any prisoners of war should be compensated for the trauma caused by our soldiers (and for any use of violence which wasn't in self-defence).

Let's be honest, without these changes, we're not ready for a war. It wouldn't be fair and inclusive. Anyone who disagrees with me is a misogynistic racist.

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The EU has hit diminishing returns and undermining itself when it thought it could include Turkey and help Ford move the bulk of its vehicle manufacturing to that non-EU member out of a "core" EU state.

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I wouldn't join the army because as a modern man I support equality and prefer to free up my place to a female. Being a modern man, I also hope that the army will ensure that the non-binary people are also invited - so that we can fight more diversely. Also the army shouldn't discriminate against pregnant women (which is so widespread at the moment!).

Also we must ensure that vegans are given full support. There are very few of them in the army, but that's because we don't support them enough.

Also I believe that the current uniforms are far too misogynistic. That modern man in me also doesn't like the fact that there aren't enough 'safe spaces' on the battlefield, and also many military activities are driven by hate.

Also the army shouldn't use the Union Jack as that might discourage some minorities from joining in (it can also be seen as offensive to some).

Also any prisoners of war should be compensated for the trauma caused by our soldiers (and for any use of violence which wasn't in self-defence).

Let's be honest, without these changes, we're not ready for a war. It wouldn't be fair and inclusive. Anyone who disagrees with me is a misogynistic racist.

I am going to nick this and use it.

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The EU has hit diminishing returns and undermining itself when it thought it could include Turkey and help Ford move the bulk of its vehicle manufacturing to that non-EU member out of a "core" EU state.

Yes, Transit Vans used to be made in Southampton. I used to watch loads of them, going somewhere on trains.

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